Whatever his purposes are, he fulfills them? That's what you said. Now if that were at any point a truthful statement...then how do you know to serve him is one of the things you must fulfill without having been previously told by another person...more than likely a parent?? God's approval you say? Then what about the subject of killing in GOD's name, where is the approval on that?...
Well God told the Jews to pass down his laws to their children, they MUST do that. They must live Jehovah's laws and regulations. their very lives depended on it. Jehovah puts a heavy burden on the parents as guardians to keep his statutes alive in their children. So why would he not have his word passed down from generation to generation? He did so for Jesus, as Jesus himself said everything he knows the Father has taught him. Jehovah is a parent and teacher, why would he not require the same from us?
God does not approve of people going out and killing in his name. At no point in time was that the case. Any time he approved of a war or such, it was to protect his people, and sanctify his name as the God who actually ACTS on behalf of his people. The crusades, or other wise? That was not Jehovah's doing at all. Nowhere does the scriptures say he backed senseless slaughter in his name. So if you refer to such, than you do well not to attach his name to it. It does not come from him.
No you moron. What Thomas Paine was saying that...an intelligent all knowing all powerful being would not use human language to deliver his cosmic message. Because an already intelligent being would know human language not only changes, but also morphs, and different words have different interpretations. You see an intelligent GOD would already know shit like this to begin with, not this galactic underachiever you people would blindly follow off a cliff if the megaphone was loud enough for you to hear it. For GOD, to use human language would signify he's not that bright in the first place. Because he's not aware of human language being so changeable over the course of time. He would have too see it coming, (wait that doesn't mean that anymore, so I've got to redo my message and use these words because those words don't mean what they used to...and if people interpret them WRONG it's going to **** up my message) an intelligent GOD would know and have already seen that coming. So using human language more or less is the sign of a stupid GOD. Also that does not explain why the bible is translated and you find it everywhere. The reason why you find the bible largely everywhere is the printing press by Gutenberg. It became portable and gave everyone access to read it, and it's various translations into so many languages across the globe is nothing more than marketing of the religion itself, and being placing value on the book of fables as being worth the effort to translate and worth printing up.
I hope you don't call people morons in every discussion you have in life, because they disagree with you. I'll give you more credit than that.
And I disagree with with mr. Paine because God is the one who broke up the languages when Nimrod was building the tower of Babel. The one who can make the universe is certainly capable of making sure the entire inhabited earth can have a chance to read and understand his word. That simple. I have no problem understanding the bible in old English or our current English. As Im sure people in spanish, or Chinese do not lack the understanding as well. In fact there is one world religion that agree totally on everything the bible has to say without any discrepancy! You could travel from one part of the world one day, and to another the next and not skip a beat in understanding God's word with this religion. You cannot get 5 people to agree in the same household usually, but somehow, millions worldwide hold the same understanding and belief in one book, unitedly. Just as Jehovah said would happen during our time in the bible.
Who wrote the bible by the way? Such an important book like that...no one wanting to take the credit. Seems rather suspect. You can't ascrbie the gospels to the name on them like LUKE to Luke, or John to John..simply because they are all written after the events have already happpend on average by about 170 years. So if they were written centuries after they event took place..and these were collections of stories passed down from one generation to the next...which isn't a far step from reality...then A) what's missing, B) what's mistranslated, C) who actually physically took to task of putting it all on paper. Not even going to get into the idea of the official canon yet.
40 different writers, and none take the credit because it is inspired of God. He is the author, the writers are simply doing secretarial work. And what proof do you have that on avg the writings all happened 170 years after the facts have been produced?
?The Bible is the most widely distributed book in history.??The World Book Encyclopedia.
OVER 550 years ago, the German inventor Johannes Gutenberg began printing with movable type. The first major book to come off his press was a Bible. Since then, billions upon billions of books on every subject imaginable have been printed. The Bible, however, is by far the most exceptional of them all.
▪ It is estimated that more than 4.7 billion Bibles (in whole or in part) have been printed. That is more than five times the number of copies of the next most widely distributed publication, Quotations From Chairman Mao.
▪ More than 50 million copies of the Bible or portions of it were distributed recently in one year alone. ?The Bible is the best-selling book of the year, every year,? says a report in The New Yorker magazine.
▪ In whole or in part, the Bible has been translated into more than 2,400 languages. At least some of the Bible is available in the languages spoken by over 90 percent of the human family.
▪ About half the Bible writers finished their writings before the birth of both Confucius, the renowned Chinese sage, and Siddhārtha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism.
▪ The Bible has had a profound influence on the arts, including some of the world?s greatest paintings, music, and literature.
▪ The Bible has endured bans by governments, burnings by religious opposers, and attacks by critics. No other book in history has faced greater opposition?and survived.
The above-mentioned facts are outstanding, are they not?
We can easily get rid of the book, I've never seen the bible teach a man anything useful or factual. I have seen it inspire hatred, slavery, stupidity, gullibility, sexism, racism, homophobia, and war howver.
EASILY EH? Read this again please.
The Bible has endured bans by governments, burnings by religious opposers, and attacks by critics. No other book in history has faced greater opposition?and survived. Easily rid? EASILY??????????
Never seen the bible teach a man ANYTHING useful? Wow, even the most hardcore bible haters will disagree with that. For instance, if everyone just did not commit fornication, or adultery, what would be the chances of std's spreading? If we heeded Gods word and were not to be greedy, could governments withhold food and resources from those in need because it does not fit into their financial plan? If the fear of losing life were gone on the earth due to murder, would the earth not be a much better place to live? Or do you even care about things like that?
And I agree with you. Through misuse and misrepresentation, the bible has been used to support those things you say. That does not mean that it was God's will that they took place. Clearly God is not in control of the way the world runs right now. If he were, the world would be in a lot better shape. Lots. Ghandi once said that Jesus Christ was the most influential man in human history. But the problem with Christianity is that Christians do not BEGIN to live up to what Jesus stood for. So again, it is not God, that is the problem, it is the people who do not OBEY what his word says. For instance, What war did Jesus start? Who did he kill, or fornicate with, or lie to? What Jesus DID do, was follow the laws of Jehovah while on earth, proving that living God's way is better than not. And he said to follow him, you must do the same. Therefore, if you are claiming to be Christian, yet you are off to the war in Iraq, are you really a Christian? When Jesus met opposition on his beliefs, he did not kill them for it, he preached and moved on. So ask yourself again, would a TRUE CHRISTIAN murder because of opposition? Or is something else driving them?
Evolutionary fact was made based on scientifc analysis and observation. Actual provable ideads, like I'm typing on a computer. The language I am typing in is English. I've never known Darwin to cause any wars, inspire slavery, or stupidity.
If evolution was a fact, there would not be this much dissention amongst the scientific field itself over it. And I have never Known Jesus to start such things either.
God choose to create out of love? That's just reaching and assumptive.
Not when one is all powerful and there is no reason for him to create otherwise.
God's does not create without a purpose you say? So there are no leftover parts? Then why are humans still born with an appendix? It serves no function in humans today other than when it gets infected and has to be remove in case of death. Surely, he could just snap his cosmic fingers and poof every human with one now..would no longer have one. Fact is however it is proof of evolution its vestigal.Meaning serving no current function
Why is water wet? Why is the sky blue? We do we have an appendix. Some questions we just do not have answers for. Maybe one day we will. That does not mean it's purposely because we cannot find a usage. And you used the correct wording.. current usage.
God can do whatever he wants? Even break the rules of justice and morality? By impregnating another man's wife..or young woman? Killing innocents in a flood? Making his half man/half GOD son...pay for the sins of other people? Even the Jews and Muslims don't agree with that nonsense. And they are more devout, more than likely than any Christian.
Joseph and Mary were both descendants of King David, the line in which Jesus was foretold to be born from. I'd hardly call the Nephilim (half human and angelic)and those wicked people innocent during the flood. and the bottom line is, those people chose death. Noah preached what God was going to do to those people, they all had the chance to live if they just.. stepped onto the ark. Jesus is not God at all. AT NO TIME WAS JESUS GOD. In heaven, or earth. He IS NEVER, EVER, EVER, GOD. He always said he was God's son. And Jehovah did not make Jesus, Jesus chose too to sanctify Jehovah as the true God. He always does the things pleasing to his father he said. And because he did that, Jehovah's plans will resume for the earth as he originally intended. Remember, those people ARE YOU AND I! Adam and Eve sinned without any children. Would it be fair for God to continue to let their children suffer through imperfection, sin, sickness and death because of their choosing to disobey him? Jesus was the way out. He is called the ransom for that very reason. He bought back what Adam lost. AND ALL THOSE HAVING FAITH IN HIS SACRIFICE WILL GAIN LIFE THROUGH IT. That is what the resurrection will bring.
Jews and muslims do not have the truth. That is why they do not believe, they do not Have Jehovah's backing. And you need that. It's essential to life. A true Christian lives a god fearing life, and recognizes Jehovah as God. Jews say they serve Jehovah, but won't say his name, and do not recognize Jesus as the messiah who was provided by the God they claim to serve. No way could a practicing Jew serve Jehovah better than a TRUE Christian. Because True Christians recognize Jehovah as God. Like the JEWS USED TO DO WHEN THEY HAD JEHOVAH'S FAVOR! Now there is a difference between supposed Christians, and TRUE Christians. True Christians just do what Jesus said to do, while the others do what appeals best for their life while intertwining Christianity. Which is not really Christianity. I will leave Muslims alone.
God chooses to act wisely? Hurriance Katrina. Enough said. Surely GOD could've gotten off his cosmic ass and saved those people who drowned in those nursing homes and hospitals! Or maybe parted the waters so families wouldn't have to jump to their death and die of starvation, hypothermia, or disintery? Act wisely my ass!
God said their would be a resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous. Surely most if not all of those victims have a chance at that. To understand why he even allows this you would AGAIN have to understand the issue of sovereignty. But long story short, he plans to fix all of this permanently. Maybe you should ask to be informed of this sovereignty issue. Maybe it will help you understand things better.
Jesus did not exercise free will. If he did he would not have sacrificed himself. He's very clear of acknowledging he has a duty to die, not that he states he has a choice.If he had a choice, he could've just forgiven all sins..and kept on rolling but no he had to die in order to forgive. Which is the actions of a sadistic GOD, and it's followers.
A sacrifice is choosing to give up willingly. Not forced. So the fact that it's CALLED A SACRIFICE MEANS THAT IT WAS GIVEN WITH FREE WILL AND INTENTION!
And just a few posts up I showed you why he had to die in order for his duty to sacrifice to Jehovah to be done. Adam was perfect before sin, and Jesus was born through a virgin for the purpose of being made PERFECT. Had Joseph fathered him naturally, then he could not have ever been made perfect. Jesus death was a ransom because his perfect life covers Adams formerly perfect life. Hence why Jesus is called the eternal father, because he basically became father to all humans who will be made to perfection once again due to his sacrifice. So for this to all be done, YES IT WAS JESUS' DUTY TO DIE. But he also CHOSE TO MAKE IT HIS DUTY. HE WILLINGLY TOOK THE JOB! In the old Jewish system, they had to sacrifice blood from animals once a year for the purpose of forgiveness of sins. Animals don't measure up to Adams perfect life, so while Jehovah LOVINGLY accepted the sacrifices, only a perfect HUMAN life would be the sacrifice needed to truly be able to forgive sins. That is what Jesus death provided.
So really, God was not being sadistic at all as you say. Out of love, he allowed his only begotten son to die on a stake at the hands of his enemies, and the plan being conjured up by the very ones who he protected, who were suppose to recognize him as the MESSIAH sent from THEIR GOD, for all those who exercised faith in him, could have life.
Would you send your only begotten to die on behalf of others knowing only few would even recognize the value of his death the way they should? Sadistic you say?
Jesus was not born to a virgin either, the proper translation would be young woman. Difference between being a young woman of say 23, and being a virgin as well. C'mon now. You really want me to believe Joseph never consumated his marriage with his wife? Now your just being gullible and stupid.
Luke 1
:26 In her sixth month( elizabeth, wife of zecariah, they were kin to Mary) the angel Ga?bri?el was sent forth from God to a city of Gal?i?lee named Naz?a?reth, 27 TO A VIRGIN PROMISED IN MARRIAGE to a man named Joseph of David?s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: ?Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.? 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: ?Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.?
34 But Mary said to the angel: ?HOW IS THIS TO BE, SINCE IA M HAVING NO INTERCOURSE WITH A MAN?35 In answer the angel said to her: ?Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God?s Son.
This same Holy spirit is said to be used in the creative days. Surely if one can make the Universe, and life on earth, he can make life in a virgin. Notice that Joseph was NOT married to her yet. In fact the angel had to tell Joseph about the pregnancy because he was going to leave Mary without shaming her, until told of what was happening by the angel.
Glad you brought up Adam and Eve, just further proof of his stupidity. First off you create these two people. Alright. You place them in a garden with a talking snake whose capabilities you know are going to **** up your creations. That's one. Two, you place a tree there in the middle of it..they are not supposed to eat from. Why place it there in the first place? Why not just not create the tree?
First off, snakes cannot talk. The voice behind the snake was an angel. The bible says Eve was deceived. Which means even perfect people can be lied too. The issue lied with Adam, which explains why the effects of sin did not manifest in Eve until ADAM ate. Adam KNEW FOR SURE That snakes cannot talk, and that all what Eve had heard was a lie. HE BLATANTLY CHOSE TO DISOBEY GOD. That is why when he ate, all of a sudden they felt the effects of sin. Jehovah held him more responsible being he placed him there long before Eve, and he knew for sure it was a lie being told. Satan attacked Eve because she was new, and he preyed on her for that very reason, hoping out of love Adam would follow suit, which he did.
The tree was placed their to serve as Law for all God had done for Adam and Eve. If they never ate, it showed they had a healthy fear and love for the God who provided all these wonderful things they had, including free will. If there was no tree, they would have been devoid of free will. Cannot have free will if you do not have free choice.
And don't give me he was testing them bullshit. Because they did not have any knowledge at all prior to eating it. If God would've gave them knowledge however before eating it, they would not have. They did not know what death was, they could not have had any idea of the concept. After all, they had not yet eaten from the tree of knowledge yet. So when GOD told them before they ate it, to eat of this tree you will surely die...GOD had to know wouldn't make sense to them because..they didn't know what the **** death was...they couldn't have so what you're saying ain't gonna fly. Your also ****ing up the story...after they ate it...they hid...again, GOD didn't pick up on this...after the fact...nor did he stop them before they were about to anyway. And he then kicked them out.
No prior knowledge huh?
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: ?Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?? 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: ?Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ?YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.??
Clearly Eve had prior knowledge of the consequences of disobeying. She reiterated it to the snake before she ate! The snake did not respond with what is death, the snake replied with gen 3: 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: ?YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.? So the snake is implying that they would be like God who cannot die, but knows everything and lives forever on top of that. Using logic you can tell Eve Knew death would mean cease living. And so did the snake. At the very least, they knew death was a penalty of some sort.
Clearly it's faulty reasoning to suggest otherwise.
This proves my point about him being amoral. Because if he was moral, caring, loving all those attributes you ascribe...HE WOULD'VE STOPPED THEM. But he didn't. No why would a loving GOD want to punish his creation, that he knows didn't have any prior knowledge?
If he would have stopped them, would that have proven that Adam and Eve love him out of their own free will? Or would have been robots at that point? He gave them free will to be able to exercise it. It is their choice to do so wisely, or unwisely. If he stops them, they ain't really free moral agents. Plus, he did warn them beforehand, don't know why you keep saying he didn't.
Your GOD is a sick bastard. That's like beating a child with a belt for running around when you know damned good and well they don't understand you, and you haven't attempted to teach them anything.
You have been mislead in your knowledge of the bible. So I understand more now why you write things like this.
Sin is bullshit. First off, define wrong.
Wrong is opposition to right, in which case you need to know what is right. Since most people know that if they lived by what God said is right, things would be a lot better, heck, even PERFECT! it's safe to say living opposite of that is likely very wrong.
And two, what about people who believe what they are doing is right...but then is wrong? It doesn't count against them, but will count against someone else? Bullshit once again. I kill a child molester. I felt I was right and justified. But I am wrong. But I think I am right. So which one am I?
So your method of right is to do wrong to try and make a right? Child molestation is wrong. But it is wrong based upon Gods standards. And so is murder. God says vengeance belongs to him. In due time, he plans to rectify all the things we know as wrongs permanently. It sucks that things like that even happen, but none of it was ever God's intention. He will fix things though. He has already started.
But question. If evolution is true, why would stuff like Child molestation and murder even be viewed as wrong? Isn't evolution the supposed survival of the fittest? Would things such as those just be a natural recourse of evolution? I would think so.
All intelligent life who obeys GOD does not suffer? Definition please. Are plants and animals included in that? UFO's as well?
I never said that. all intelligent life who obey God SURELY suffer. In many different ways usually. Even loss of life! And plants and animals suffer because because of the ones who are here to look after them (humans) Not because they obey God. They are not free moral agents, they cannot worship. But they suffer because the world is out of wack due to who is running it right now.
UFO'S? Never seen one of those.