Some say "what would Jesus do"? I Say...
Originally Posted by iSaYughh
All coaching aside? We are a weak defensive team?
One DOES have to do with the other, correct?
I would like you to look at things from an exaggerated perspective for a second... just a sec...
IF we had "THE BEST DEFENSIVE COACH POSSIBLE, maybe a Thib's or whoever...
Are you telling me we would STILL be a weak defensive team, with the same exact roster? Be honest. Just take a sec (not that Im saying we need to fire or get rid of or blame MDA for ANYTHING) just to partly asses our team, coach included...
if that were the case... sure you could infer we may not score the same etc, etc... some stats might not be the same, namely increased stats that facilitated trades (I understand), but really do you think we would look how we do? Get beat HOW WE Do?
Imagine how intense and no frills that type of coach would probably be. Imagine how a player could impress THIS type of coach and what said player would have to show in practice and even when scouted for this type of coach.
Do you see it? How the whole team attitude and approach would change, how our reputation would change? The types of players going forward we would covet and who would LOVE to play here?
When I do, I see a MUCH different picture (and Im not even talking championship).
What would a Phil Jackson, Popovich, or a proven top tier coach do?
If you are honest, only one logical conclusion can be assumed...
a better coach will get better results. Period. How exactly, using what combinations exactly is up for speculation.
But a better coach, should bring better results, regardless of who's to blame for a specific loss.
An observation, a negative assessment, hardly equates to "jumping ship"
Originally Posted by iSaYughh
Except for being subjective, nothing is proven by standing by, blindly rooting for a team with obvious deficiencies, even the untrained eye can recognize.
Strategy... a term too technical for debate on KOL. Coach MDA will always be ASSUMED to know more and be more qualified than anyone here...
Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
don't waste your time.
But notice, YOUR strategy entails using defense AS WELL AS properly inserting the optimal mix given the specific situation, to maximize and shift to a more desirable outcome. MANY parts of coaches strategies are scrutinized.
he's 26 - 25 in the playoffs for his career. Mediocre.
I'll ask you...
What would a top tier coach do? What would be different? Do you think we would still be clamoring for 2 years worth of talent or would we be competitive and be able to do the small things and NOT beat ourselves?
I know your answer.
I'm NOT a MDA hater nor (after a valid assessment) am I a supporter. I'm a Knick fan.
Originally Posted by KnicksFanFromQueens1985
You can't find any post of mine that says I hope we miss the playoffs to get rid of coach. It's hypocrisy.
That said I offer this...
Wins and Losses are inevitable. HOW A TEAM WINS OR LOSES is indicative of many many many factors.
Playing here is different, more pressure
Playing in NY and the East (and hoping to go far in the playoffs) MEANS defense
The media is crazy
Ups are way ups, downs are the lowest, its day to day fickleness...
You get a fan base and media outlet that will continually put you under the microscope, poke and prod, and by shear demand, will, and virtue, will
make sure they get what they want- and most certainly tell you exactly how they feel. And at this point EVERYONE (or the majority) question COACH, doubt COACH, and See COACH lacks defensive influence... (helloooooo!)
UNTIL that changes it will never stop. Not in a place like this. It seems like "the sky is falling", but when considering the specific circumstance including this city and its fans... this is the pre-cursor to change demanded, resulting from expectations and disappointment.
Stephen A. just said
Originally Posted by MusketeerX
"at some point or another, people will start questioning if D'Antoni is right for this team"?
I like that line "right for this team"
because it's no insult, we understand this stage isn't for everyone (see my sig, and think LeBron)
it takes projection, forethought, and consideration of MANY not so obvious factors.
AND now after this experiment, after all you know about our history, this city and it's fans, and the game, the answer is NO.
Does that mean "he's to blame"? Nope
Does it mean "he's not a good coach"? Nope
Does' it mean "things can't be different with a Top Defensive Center"? Nope
It means given the circumstance, given the locale and geographic location, given the reputation;
MIKE D'ANTONI HAS YET TO PROVE HE IS CAPABLE OF GETTING THE MOST OUT OF THIS TEAM ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, AND ACTUALLY DIMINISHES A PLAYER'S DEFENSIVE ABILITIES BY VIRTUE OF HIS APPROACH AND SYSTEM. HE TOO IS UNDERPERFORMING BASED ON THE REPUTATION THAT PRECEDED HIM, BUT THEN AGAIN AS IS, HE IS A .500 COACH IN THE PLAYOFFS, NEVER WAS KNOWN FOR DEFENSE, UNPROVEN, AND RELEASED AFTER 60 WIN SEASONS.
and we are .500...
TO ISAY, RON FARINA, ETC...
I can't wait for the day we can upgrade at the HEAD COACH position. Hopefully, if he is top tier, proven to increase a teams overall defense, and is capable and competitive offensively... if he's thick skinned, tells it like it is, takes no shorts, willing to take on the challenge and project a confidence in this squad...
I can't wait. I would love for him to show you what we could actually be with that type of LEADER and GENERAL. MDA has peaked! Unless he's willing to go back to the drawing board, we have seen what we can be, we've scored 120 plus points, we've beat top teams, but yet we are lowest in defense, rebounds, inconsistent, in constant flux, and embarrassing. We can beat anyone and be beat by anyone, and we lack pride.
I know your saying he doesn't exist, but even if you considered this type of coach and concluded if it were possible you'd be down, then you mind as well say...
YOU SUPPORT MDA BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW ANYONE BETTER THAT'S AVAILABLE!:thumbsup::cool:
You just don't get it do you?
Fact is, if I wasn't a passionate Knick fan I wouldn't continue to post here.. Obvious enough for ya?? These useless proclamations of "i'm a bigger fan than you because I bitch louder" are simplistic and really stupid DFDH. You know this.
Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
I understand you're emotional. All of us on here are. But ranting like hormonal woman on a hellish cycle replete w ungodly cramps and day to day annoyingly, heavy flow is not needed.
When you take into consideration the last two seasons, does it enter your mind that the sole goal Donnie had during that time period was shedding salary?? How can you blame Mike D for the horror show back then?
Also, the ONLY goal we had for this season was to make the playoffs. We're in a position to so after having done most of the heavy lifting w one of the more less experienced and young rosters in the league.. I attribute this success - yes, it's success when you consider the last 10 years which i've endured painfully just like you- in part to our under-appreciated Coach. If we we're to somehow miss the playoffs, then i'll be the first to say he has to go. Otherwise, I think we all just need to sit back and watch this thing develop. Yes, be frustrated at losing, but calling for the coaches head @ every setback, when you know we just traded for two new pieces and are trying to incorporate them, is unproductive and irrational, and should be differentiated from what it means to be so-called "real" Knick fan. Call what it is... pointless, emotional bitching..:cool: