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you think any of these young katz will wear the knicks O&B?
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Draft prospects Tu Holloway, Scoop Jardine, Kris Middleton, John Shurna, Michael Eric and Bernard James will work out for Knicks tomorrow
tu Holloway
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John Shurna
Bernard James
kinda catchy
couldn't find any highlights.
Micheal Eric
Khris Middleton
I'd love Tu Holloway as our back up PG he plays with confidence and swagger like Shumpert
though he'd have to change his number from 52 to 25
Tu is a goodcatch. i like bernard james too.
tyson and bernard combo would be great.
Scoop or Gtfo
-Has great passing vision
-looks to push the ball on fastbreaks + nice finisher on the breaks
-Excellent finisher around the rim, able to take contact and still finish
-Looks to shoot in the flow of the game aka no chucked up shots, majority of his shots are very good looks at the basket
-knows how to utilize the backboard
-Able to penetrate in the lane and makes the smart move once he is in the lane.
-attacks the basket Constantly (something this team is lacking)
The downside is he's not such a great FT shooter well at least not from what his stats show =\.and not so athletic ... but still a very intriguing pick for a deep second rounder.
I like his game, he looks like a suitable backup PG. I think he would be perfect for our second unit.. he has a nice feel for the game... kind of reminds me of Isiah Thomas from the Sacramento Kings... but more crafty&Stronger
of course youtube highlights can make anybody look like the best thing in the world, but from what im seeing he looks promising ...
BTW Tu Holloway looks VERY PROMISING as well... he looks like he would be a nice scoring punch off the bench and bring alot of energy. both TU and SCOOP would be nice pickups IMO.
Then again im no Scout expert there may be better picks available.. who knows
what do guys think about shurna?
shurna vs novak?
maybe he can be our kyle korver or dunlevy.
Iv'e looked at that shurna video multiple times now and ive come to the conclusion that If Jimmer Fredette and Landry fields made a baby his name would be Shurna. I say this because Shurna from what im seeing has nice cutting ability similar to landry fields and finishes around the rim similar to landry fields... but he also has the shooting range of Jimmer. :smokin: But Shurna vs Novak... idk shurna seems to have more to his game than just shooting the ball. But if your talking strictly shooting wise i honestly dont know, i cant really judge off one highlight video...shouldn't really judge a player at all off highlights lol, he looks like a streaky scorer though.
I think he will be gone by the time it's our time to pick
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if novak walks and we sign this kid. definitely a upgrade because of his all-around game.
i like both pg Tu and scoop. it's hard to tell because scoop shared mins with triche. i'm looking at the stats, injuries, and game i like both aspects. ionno hard to tell.
Can one of the Mods sticky this thread and make it the official 2012 draft thread, the Draft is next month and will be hear before we know it.
Im sure people are just itching to make unnecessary threads on who we need to draft lets try and keep it organized
I really like Kim English from Mizzou as our pick at 48. Been saying it for weeks..
How I like to look at this (who to draft) -- there will be a lot of good players on the board when we pick (48) that I think can help us -- this draft looks deep enough where we can get a rotation player there -- but if I could find something comparable elsewhere (a DL/Euro/undrafted FA at a rockbottom price for example), I'd look to secure said player first instead of burning a pick on something similar/identical. I'd try to draft a player I couldn't get going this route.
Look at Darius Johnson-Odom from Marquette...Ok, decent player with upside, no question -- 6'2" lefty SG with limited (if any) PG skills though which gives me some pause but still a decent talent. We could make him fit here as a nice little scorer off the pine. Here's the thing: there's a guy that went undrafted a few years ago out of Baylor---Curtis Jerrells---who I think is similar, maybe a better player. Definitely just as good a talent imho. I think Jerrells actually has more PG skills even though he's really a scorer himself too. My thing--why draft Johnson-Odom when we can get Jerrells for peanuts and then turn around and use the pick on something else? That's how I'd like the Knicks to look at this. There's countless player comparisons I could make just like this one...Our talent evaluation should extend beyond the draft -- it's got to include all the available players out there.
Kim English is a 6'5"/6'6" SG that shot the lights out last year from deep -- 45.9%. That's crazy good. Tuned in to watch Mizzou play quite a few times this year to see Phil Pressey and Marcus Denmon, but quickly came away impressed with English as well...Been reading that he's too slow, not athletic enough, a one-trick pony, etc. -- not true. What he is is an EXCEPTIONAL jumpshooter with range that can also put it on the floor a little bit to keep teams honest and defend better than average. I've actually seen this kid handle the ball a little and run the team at times too...Is he some above the rim athlete with crazy hops a-la Iman Shumpert or someone like that? No, he's not. So what? Neither is Ray Allen -- how has that worked out for him throughout his career? Didn't stop him from being a good player, did it? A top player in fact. That's who this kid really reminds me of at the risk of going a little overboard -- Ray Allen. We should consider ourselves lucky if he's on the board at 48. Getting a guy that can shoot the ball like he can at 48 would be a steal. I don't think he'll be there though which is why I'd hatch out a plan to move up a little to get him.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think we can use cash considerations to move up -- I believe we already used that option up when we gave Washington cash (along with a 2nd round pick) to take Ronny Turiaf off our hands right before we made the Chandler deal. Hopefully I misread that and we can use cash to move up..2nd round picks are always for sale. Remember last year how we got Jorts from NO, J. Jordan from Milwaukee the yr before, etc..What we do have is Jerome Jordan and Toney Douglas to dangle in a trade. I'd look to use these two players to move up in this draft. Jordan and Douglas are both 100% replaceable anyway and I want English.
Jon Givony over at draftexpress.net reported via twitter that Kim English looked great the other day at the NetsCombine btw. Givony: "Only one player you can say definitely looks like an NBA player in this 1st session: Kim English. Came out with his game face." Went on to say that "while all the other players are drinking water, Kim English decided to stay on the court & show off his sweet stroke," and that he looked "very aggressive" in a one on one/5 secs. to score drill. That's high praise from a solid, impartial talent evaluator...If English has a few more workouts like this, he might even turn himself into a 1st round pick. He'd be a great fit here as a complimentary player.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think we can use cash considerations to move up -- I believe we already used that option up when we gave Washington cash (along with a 2nd round pick) to take Ronny Turiaf off our hands right before we made the Chandler deal. Hopefully I misread that and we can use cash to move up..2nd round picks are always for sale. Remember last year how we got Jorts from NO, J. Jordan from Milwaukee the yr before, etc..What we do have is Jerome Jordan and Toney Douglas to dangle in a trade. I'd look to use these two players to move up in this draft. Jordan and Douglas are both 100% replaceable anyway and I want English.
we can no longer use 3 million to buy a first round pick due to including the 3 million to washington in the turiaf deal.....new rules allow u t only use that 3 million once a season.......................
I agree about using Jordan/douglas as a way to move up.....There must be something Dantonio/Woodson see in practice that not only makes Jordan get zero playing time but that we released walker to sign a big man to counter jeffries injury even though we had a 7 footer on the bench...
u kidding me.... "we have draft picks?"
all this time I been searching the D.League for some decent propects at minimum wage, do to our (6 players) $58M cap.
Donnie Walsh screwed us big time in his 3 seasons by never trading for a future draft pick, but giving out our future Knicks draft picks at the drop of a dime.
Ahh WTF man -- I thought I read that...That's a shame. See, I don't get that -- technically, we made that Turiaf trade this past off-season, before this abbreviated season started, no? I don't see why our ability to use cash again THIS OFF-SEASON is compromised and didn't reset. It should have. The Knicks should fight that rule -- they may have a case.
Anyway, I'd love to see us use Jordan and/or Douglas to move up to the 30-35, 35-40 range and take English. Don't know if that's asking too much. Don't even know if English will be there 30-40 -- he might play himself right into the 1st round by the time the draft rolls around...Maybe we can also go the sign & trade route with Fields and/or Jorts for the same purpose. We could easily go out and immediately replace any one of these guys for peanuts if we so choose (and I'd agrue that they'd each turn out to be an upgrade):
Jerome Jordan --> Marcus Cousin - upgrade, much more polished 7 footer
Douglas --> Matt Janning, Ben Hansbrough, Curtis Jerrells - all big upgrades in my book
Jorts --> Jeff Adrien - slightly different players but comparable, possibly an upgrade
Novak --> Ryan Wittman - comparable, possibly an upgrade
Fields --> Jamelle Horne, Sylven Landesberg - upgrades
We only have 1 pick at 48 but I think we could still add a lot of talent to this roster provided we're looking in the right places.
I wish they worked out Scott Machado also because that kid has got serious game and could be an absolute steal.
Fab Melo & Melo ftw!! Syracuse!!
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