stat should be starting when he comes back, and after, lets say 4 minutes into the game, he should go to the bench while moving melo to the 4 and JR and Brewer coming in as one of kidd or felton (i prefer felton, better pnr, and kidd has chemistry with chandler)goes to the bench. Then around 3 minutes (after other substitutions for chandler) melo should sit while amare and a felt come in with camby/sheed (better spacing) with JR and novak to give amare good spacing along with good playmaking from our backcourt. (prigs could also come in depending on the situation, also a good pnr player, should do wonders with stat)
It's absolutely reasonable to be expectant. But in Amar'e's case, what you'd expect at max money, at 6'11, at 250, and at an athletic level rarely seen in someone that size, "not terrible" and occasionally "sub standard" are not meeting reasonable expectation. The lack of effort, the lack of awareness and predictive anticipation ~ man. He's hardly given us a consistent model worthy of a contract or a leader in over a year.
Originally Posted by TakMan
No, he doesn't. Not with last season being used as reference. In fact, I'd say that Tyson's picks and rolls far exceed those of Stoudemire without recent evidence to the contrary.
Originally Posted by p0nder
The questions you raise are the reasoning behind my cynicism. I have absolute faith in Woodson to provide the base, but little to no faith in Stoudemire to execute things in a cognitive, intelligent or (most importantly) consistent way.
I don't see quasi need, I see paramount need need for STAT to come in strong, as we move forward in to a continuity not seen in NY since Mark Jackson ruled the pill.
With STAT playing at centre as the main offensive option outside of the 3 point bomb, in a highly spaced offence that boasted ZERO post players. Enough said there, IMO.
Originally Posted by elcol
You must be exhausted! :lol:
I'm looking forward to STAT's return to throw this back in your face 8's. He is a better PnR man then Tyson. He often did the soft pick to get loose early. It's designed that way so that he's better able to finish. It's a veteran play, one that Tyson hasn't even whiffed yet. Tyson is very raw on offense though he is getting better and maybe this year he can rise up as a threat on that end but I don't see him out performing STAT in the PnR game.
In his one stint with Felton at the point STAT was going off for 30+ point games and being considered for MVP candidate. I for one can't wait to see that fire rekindled.
Agreed EXCEPT. Kidd off bench and shump start, its better for STAT and others with Kidd's ability to make others better.
Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
First let me say, I've been reluctant to post during games, so as to not induce the kibosh.
Next, I'll say we have had the luxury of winning and still exposing our weaknesses.
Our weaknesses so far...
3. Interior scoring, specifically in the post
WE ARE NOT PLAYING AT FULL STRENGTH.
STAT & SHUMP added to what we see so far = :smokin:
I honestly think we can be better with STAT.
This team looks like a team, and if STAT accepts that his role isn't the star right now, that he's part of a twelve-man unit, despite his crazy contract he can still bring some value to this team.
I'm hoping beyond hope that he'll accept that role tho.
Originally Posted by KBlack25
I'm still kind of weary when it comes to his defense. Whether he starts (please god no) or comes off the bench, he'll still need to contribute at least a little bit on the defensive end.
I also hope that he's learned how to set a screen. Set the screen with some conviction and force the switch, get the ball and have a smaller man contesting your shot - or have a smaller player trying to contend with you crashing to the rim, force the help to come, and make the extra pass. Simple fundamental ish. Constantly slipping the screen and rolling with a big trailing right on his hip is only going to lead to him getting mauled at the rim again.
No more "missed assignments" (his excuse when Diaw cooked him for 27 last season), if he's setting a pick he can't constantly slip it, rebou-......box out to create some easier rebound chances, and most importantly: don't get lost in the shuffle out there. I don't want to see STAT just standing around letting dudes run right by him, or just hanging out on the offensive end. If he can't do anything that'll show up in the box score, then it's time to start playing like a 10 year vet who wants to win a ring.
It's a tall order, but I'm not gonna count him out just yet. But with the way the team is playing right now..he doesn't (and shouldn't) have much time to show up.
Good points but I think you are not considering one thing...
Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
we have COACH WOOD-SON.
SO when we factor in a coach who holds players accountable, preaches defense, and has galvanized the bunch, STAT reinserted doesn't seem so far fetched.
Switch STAT with Brewer and now we have size and inside scoring with the option of having a lock down defender ready to come in and lock it down, ala Shump last year.
If you doubt STAT you inadvertently doubt coach.
Don't doubt coach. He can get it done with STAT in the starting line-up.
I did forget about Woodson when I wrote that post.
I also forgot about the veteran presence on the team. There are more positive signs that STAT will get his **** together and jell with this team than, negative signs.
He either works at it and willingly comes in and does his job, or Woody & Co. will get on him and make things uncomfortable until he says "****...maybe I should box out a bit more." I never thought about that.
There's always the chance a player could get fed up and become a malcontent, but I don't think Amar'e has that sort of personality.
I'm still not sold on him starting right now tho, I kinda want that pesky perimeter defender with athleticism and size in the starting lineup, so I wouldn't switch STAT for Brewer. I'd rather STAT come off the bench and be option 1 or 1A, depending on how JR is doing. Either Kidd or Pablo, JR, Novak, Sheed, STAT as our second unit.
He can also get some mins in the 4th with Melo, Felton, and Tyson out there. Extra fire power in the 4th for the defense to have to account for.
Happy birthday Amare!!
Nov 16th 1982!!
in case yall forgot lol
Originally Posted by NYk_Reloaded718
Happy Birthday, STAT!
Man, watching that got me so excited.
Originally Posted by RunningJumper
If stat can return to anything like that. We can be the best team in the league. I know we are playing well right now but I feel like there is just a little something missing, even though we are 6-0. We are a bit undersized. If amare can come back, give us 16-19ppg, 8 rebounds, and 2 blocks. We are so much better. We don't have enough inside scoring
While melo plays well at power forward, Im not sure it will translate to play off ball. Like it didn't last night at all, because he can't drive and dunk with authority as well as someone who plays that position should.
Melo got a lot of great passes down low last night that the stat we just saw in that vid would have easily slammed in for easy points. Yet melo got knocked away several times because he doesn't quite have the size or strength needed with D that intense in your face.
Melo doesn't need to play at powerforward for mismatches. Hes been scoring 20-30 ppg his whole career at small forward. But our offense, and defense, needs a power forward like stat. Good stat that is.
Originally Posted by Forrest17
I'll add STAT needs to work on his PASSING, MOVING WITHOUT THE BALL, and DEFENSIVE ASSIGNMENTS. He will be fine.
But yeah I feel incomplete, and I've also concluded it's size and post presence we could use. Followed by Perimeter defense ala Shump to thwart the penetration.
F the Dream CAmp. STAT needs to go to the Sheed clinic. Love Him.
I asked for size and post play... he delivered. Imagine when STAT gets the confidence and tutelage from Wallace. It's like a BIG Kidd.:teeth: