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I was saying Rondo needed to be higher than 14. I agree he's one of the best PGs right now. Thats why I was surprised when someone listed him as 14.
Wade didn't do so hot this season but he was one carrying the Heat last year. I think it's only a matter of time before we see Wade destroy teams again. Besides, he doesn't need jumpshots when he's one of the few players that can tear through elite defenders and get to the rim easily.
Dirk, you might be right on that. Still expecting a lot outta him though.
Melo is one of the best scorers in the league. There's no debate there. But that doesn't mean he's one of the best offensive players. Being one of the best offensive players means you can create plays for your teammates and penetrate defenders. It also means you don't stop ball movement for your team and take lots of shots for yourself. If you take a billion shots in a game, of course you're going to have a lotta points.
Carmelo can create for others like everyone has said, you gotta cut he WILL find you, he actually loves to hit guys for cutting dunks.
Remember when he first got to New York he played well, Billups ran the show and he was just scoring and rebounding. Our problem was defense which is why we added Chandler
Imagine not picking up Billups' option, sign Chandler then re-sign Billups to a mid-level deal using his bird rights
We'd have
Billups-Fields-Anthony-Stoudemire-Chandler starting out last year with Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Jeffries and Douglass off the bench and maybe add a young PG in the draft for Billups to groom and still add Camby, not lose Jeffries in the process of adding Felton
we wouldn't be having this discussion, we'd probably have played in the ECF last year and Carmelo would be in top 5 discussion period
regardless this is the year for a lot of guys in the league to redeem themselves, Anthony, Wade, Howard, etc....
We can say the same thing of Melo, that we can't put Melo in front of Durant until Melo develops ::insert here::
They're two different beasts, and I think Durant, I gotta put him above Melo right now just because Durant is Durant, man.
Melo can reach around him this season though.:gony:
Durant is a better player than Melo, easily.
He is just a more complete player than Melo.
Melo probably has more god given ability.. But Durant's hunger and drive makes him the better player right now. He rarely if ever takes a night off, Melo doesnt always play up to his ability
Durant is a better team defender than Melo. He does not lose focus and plays the passing lanes well. His length (pause) helps the team D also. He has gotten better in this regard. He is not the liability he once was, which is why he can legitimately rival Lebron as the league's second best talent.
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Next, why are you saying Melo is a better rebounder?? Durant averaged 8 rebounds per game last season, which also helps the D. Melo has never, throughout his whole career averaged 8 rebounds per game.
On the offensive side of the ball he is flat out better. He scores more per game and shoots a higher percentage. Last season he shot .496 from the field. Melo has never shot that high a percentage throughout his whole career. He also makes more treys, over a hundred in each of the last three seasons. Melo has never made a hundred 3's in a season in his whole career, granted he does play more of a mid-range style, but Durant can make mid-range and short J's all day too. Durant is far superior in transition also. He is v fast and elusive w the ball in the open court. Combine this skill w his height and you have scary talent that is still young and defining itself. Durant is just a flat out better offensive player right now.
I don't know about the god-given piece. Durant is v fast, agile and tall. He has a unique skill set.
I agree that he doesn't take anything for granted. I think he is a better student of the game than Melo. He's also a smart dude and affable. He's a much better locker room guy than Melo and most players for that matter.
Okay now I see you're just using last year to have this argument, for their careers they both average 6 a game(KD 6.6, CA 6.3) and Durant plays 2 more MPG than Carmelo. Carmelo is a better skilled rebounder than Durant, watch the game not the stat sheet. Example LeBron James is the 2nd best passer in the league, Nash being 1st but LeBron isn't 2nd in assists so does that make guys who average more assists than him better passers, NO
Durant is a GREAT SHOOTER we can all agree, Carmelo just brings more to the table for me on offense, remember for the last year and half most of it Carmelo was out of his element and injured, this past season really hurt Carmelo prior to that he had a great year averaging 25.5 ppg and 7 rpg with good percentages across the board
I wish guys would be honest and say they are using this past year too much to judge Carmelo because we seen when healthy and running the offense through him he not only gets his but he got it efficiently, the team played well, he made guys better and Woodson made him a better defender.
Durant is great I just prefer Carmelo
Well.. yeah I'm judging them based on what I see now, on court and by the numbers. You kinda have to wait til the end of their respective careers to judge them the way you are.
Right now Durant is the better player. Durant is young, therefore I believe he will continue to grow as a player and thus will more than likely be better than Melo for the duration of their careers.
You must not really watch Durant that much. He does everything on offense. He takes it to the rack. He uses a one step or two step dribble and pull up. His handle is excellent so he creates off the dribble really well (better than Melo imo). He shoots the three and he's a monster with the ball in his hands in transition. Plus he's tall. He pump-fakes to get guys in the air to draw fouls. He is just more well-rounded than Melo on offense IMO. He also gets to the line an insane amount. I think he was either 1st or 2nd in attempts last season. That tells me he is v aggressive. Melo did not even come anywhere near him in attempts last season.
Stop w the Melo jocking dude.
We can all agree he's a great scorer, but he has his faults and they are annoying. You should try to see him for what he is.
I would much rather have Durant on the Knicks than him.
And my dude.. don't minimize the importance of statical analysis. Stats are everything when it comes to these players. Good stat analysis is just as important as what you see on the court. Remember that.
here we go with the homo phrases smfh you dudes cant have a discussion with out dropping these can you
anyway I watch KD and you know what he has his faults too its just no one is going to ever criticize Durant for anything, he not a stopper and who does he make better please explain to me both of these and how they're false, I know Melo has flaws I point them out all the time but these guys are almost evenly skilled and even then Melo is more skilled Durant probably has the higher IQ and more hunger, though I've seen a new side of Melo since April
also STATS are important to an extent, we also have to look at, where guys get shots, who guys are surrounded by, systems, etc...its not all black and white and it seems guys are being influenced by the media too much. Before Carmelo came to New York he was better than Durant now that he's here and the medias new scapegoat he's not top 10 :teeth: smh
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The Bulls 2011-12 record of 50-16, and 2010-11 record of 62-20 on the strength of Rose/Noah/Deng/then Boozer/Gibson performance.
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