Unless Melo opts out, the draft pick isn't a big deal. The Knicks had little wiggle room and when an opportunity like this presents itself, to transform a few DNC-CD players into the former #1 pick (with recent success), whose game compliments our star... Well, you have to roll the dice... even if that means giving up something like a #1 pick. As mentioned, we have tons of cap space being cleared so that pick wont really mean as much in terms of obtaining talent. Just means that we better develop Shump & Hardaway and find something in 2014. NOw, to make this a true gem of a trade... Knicks need to keep it going... B/C this cannot be our "biggest" move this offseason. We need a viable backup PK, another banger (rebounder) and a shooter, along with bringing back either Copeland or Smith, and keeping Prigs.
I am the Anti-D'Antoni
A stretch 4 who lacks defensive and rebounding intensity.
Sounds like D'Antoni to me.
Now it seems Richardson is part of the package in order to make the trade approved, but because it has to be via sign-and-trade, it won't be official until July 10th (signing period).
This is a great trade.. We gave up basically nothing.. Camby doesnt play.. and Novak is a very 1 dimensinal player who needs a perfect assist to drain his shots.. And it seemed that Novak lost his minutes to Copeland at the end there anyway.. The 1st round pick will probably be a late pick anyways and will probably not be better than Bargs anyway.. We got Gallo back!
lol but seriously .. From an offensive standpoint this is great news.. we can start Bargs at the 4 and bring STAT to come off the bench.. Bargs doesnt occupy the same space on the floor as Chandler and Melo and he stretches the floor because defensders have to respect his 3 point shooting.. Melo is gonna have alot more easy looks now If the rumors are tru about Tony Allen, That move can put us over the top
Great Trade????? 7 footer that's averaged 4.8 RBs over his career, always injured and soft as hell. He was considered untradeable because of his production and salary, Ujiri got the Knicks not only to bite but to throw in another player when the trade didn't meet league salary rules.
I guess Grunny has to find some scoring if the worse case is we lose JR, Cope and Prigs in free agency but Bargnani is what he is after 7 years A Bust.
Camby wasnt injured during the chaotic 66 game season .. I too, wanted Camby to forget the past & play Knicks ball this season. I ask myself last offseason did Grunwald know anything about Camby's history with Knicks & Nuggets? I guess not smoking that "forget me not" ganja last offseason .... I was shock when we got UFA Camby on sign n trade from Houston, plus we had to pay the salary of the Knicks players we traded to Houston Rockets. Yeah, this is the same Houston Rockets who supposedly out bid us for Lin-Sanity LMAO when Lin-Sanity refuse to sign their first offer .... Back to Camby .. Recall owner Dolan's (personal) anger at Camby in 2002-3 when Dolan traded Camby to Denver .. Recall 2007-8 when Melo had Camby traded out of Denver to the low-low-lottery Clippers for mentioning Melo's no-defense. I was suprise Camby had it in him to put on a Knicks uniform again to play for Dolan, with Melo as a teammate .. I guess $11M for 3 yrs .... When Woody put Camby in the starting lineup with Tyson as our starter, then bang-bang "Honey Nut Cheerios" hit the front page news paper LMAO I knew Camby was going to be DNP with injury the rest of the season .. we had an epidemic of foot injuries LOL. Bargani 3-ball for Novak 3-ball = even Bargani's 14-5 career performance never equal up to a back-up old-head Camby When did Bargani's performance ever value a first round-pick? This is a Isiah Thomas move if any ...... Grunwald is on his way out
Originally Posted by metrocard
We all have our own opinions that are relevant to our expectations concerning this trade.
I'm comfortable being a 2nd round team, only 8 teams get to play in the 2nd round.
But we aint seeing the Bulls, Pacers, and Heat
Those are elite defensive teams and I accept it as a fact that they are all better then us, most likely regardless of what we do the rest of the way
Our only chance is if Shump continues to improve and if Amare somehow resurrects himself. I cant wait to watch Shumpert next year, but I expect another often injured season from Amare and Bustnani will be a nice addition offensively. He will also be an embarrassment on defense
We played as well defensively as any of those teams. We simply could not score. If we had Bargnani I could safely say we beat the Pacers because we were starving for offense from someone other than Shump and Melo.
Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
Bargnani is not the answer but he makes us better.
Having him stretch the floor and fitting into a starting lineup with Melo and Chandler may finally provide us with a solid set rotation with Amare coming off bench as a 6th man.
JR really killed us in the playoffs, he changed momentum away from us and Tyson really did nothing averaging 6 pts and 6 rb against Indiana...SAD.
Maybe Miami but not the Pacers and bulls. We're a good defensive team but not great
Originally Posted by Paul1355
We were terry cloth against the Pacers in the paint. Our defense was good against Boston but not great. They're not a good offensive team so our opponents points per game might be a little misleading
I do agree that we had no reliable offensive options aside from Melo and Shumpert, mainly Melo though. We needed to go to Shumpert more
Im not really sure how Barngani makes us any better, or worse for that matter, considering we lost Novak (not a big deal after his underachieving year) and we're about to lose Copeland.
If Copeland wants the money then we would lose him anyways so if anything having Bargnani is even better as insurance poilicy for Cope. A stretch 4 is what made me love Copeland so much, however Bargnani is also that.
Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
We are clearly better with this deal.
Camby played 24 games and had little impact in those games since he didn't even play significant minutes.
Novak had games when he wen 0-8 and Novak having a game like that is ZERO production because he does nothing else.
Both players were getting paid above mini mid level exception at 4 Mil a year. that is 8 million wasted for players that are DNP material right now...for someone that can start in a 54 win team lineup and help spread the floor for our stars
the biggest upside of this trade will be in 2015 when the knicks will be positioned to add a lot of young but still proven talent and this time keep most of their own talent. Even if the knicks havent drastically improved they are still a playoff team.
The reason the Heat got to be the Champs was Wade was already on the books and they just needed money for 2 free agents.... same goes for the knicks come 2015.
They will have Melo, and a core of roleplayers. All they need to add is some Lebron/Durant Stoppers (why I focus on Hibbert, and Leonard) and we even get our draft pick that year to add to our core. Hell even signing JR is smart cause at 5 a million he would be a steal as a 4th or 5th best scorer.
By that point the Heat will be arguably older (sh*t wade's knee's might not even make it) and who knows if the thunder will ever recover from losing Harden.
Gave up not much to get less in return. The first round pick hurts in 2016.. I hate giving up picks, especially for guys that aren't producing. A first rounder, even in the later picks can turn out to be great players.
Barni is a chucker, a weak post player and lumbers up and down the court. He's like STAT but softer and without the athleticism. Coming from a Raptors organization that was terrible on defense and had a losing culture I don't see value outside of potentially making room for another roster spot for a summer league guy or something.
As a canadian who watched the raptors pick this guy and develop him into a poor player I am not especially happy with this deal. It was moot because Camby wasn't getting PT and novak had cooled off some, losing PT to copeland and JR. Barni does the same things (hit 3's, get injured) as camby/novak so it doesn't really matter. The raptors had been looking for someone to take this contract off their hands and found the Knicks willing to give up more then they should have. A box of Primo Pasta and a DVD of the Coach D'antoni show circa 2010 would have gotten us Barni.
i swear people dont understand the value of expiring contracts. please stop girling about out pick...we will trade, stats bargs or t.c. expiring and get a pick. maybe 2 of there contracts and land a big fish... dolan isnt into rebuilding. so come 2015 he'll snag another big name to play with an older melo and young shump. stop worying about the pick. it can had back if needed. now that thats out of the way is bargs not better then novak? thats an obvious yes so from a talent standpoint we clearly upgraded. and idk about yall but bargs actually plays post defense. problem is he was point on the wing alot in toronto...stop crying..ny fans are never satisfied. if we would have stood pat yall would be whining about how we stood pat. this last decade of futility has really tarnished all of our perceptions and expectations... the roster...I REPEAT THE ROSTER WAS UPGRADED! with a long summer to go.
Trading away the draft picks is always dangerous. If Raptors draft an impact player, it will haunt for 5+ years just like all the other draft picks we missed (hell, look at what not drafting Rondo did to us)
Plays post defense? Are you kidding? Barni is a cardboard cut out. At best he will put his hands straight up in the air and not jump to meet the defender. I honestly wondered how many posters this guy is on, but then realized it's not that many because he's soft like pasta sauce and doesn't protect the rim. at all.
A pick is a pick. It is what it is. After years of sending picks away for high-priced, over hyped, under-performing players, yeah I'm a bit weary of giving up multiple picks for a #1 pick that has never produced and never will. Maybe we move him sooner in a package for something better... maybe we don't. The trade makes us better in 2016, unless that 2016 pick turns out to be a better player then Barni, which is highly likely (2016 will be a talent loaded draft, David Lee was the 30th pick, Rondo was #21, Tony Parker was #28)
I'm not saying we should have stood pat, but I'm not happy with this trade as our "major upgrade" of the off-season that makes us a title contender. Think about it, is having Barni on the team going to make a difference when we face Hibbert and the pacers again? I'm not saying it was a terrible deal and we got fleeced but I have doubts that Bargni will be healthy next year and contribute to a team that has championship aspirations.