Elton Brand vs KMart
So it looks like once we sign one of these guys our Free Agency activity will be done for a while if not completley concluded. Of course signing both would just be tedious because one would not play.
Lets break it down.
- Fierce competitor
- Enforcer (probably the best in NBA)
- Versatile defender (did a decent job on Durant)
- Playoff expereince
- Familiar with current Knicks
- Shot blocker
- finishes with authroity around the rim
- Limited offensive game
- faded away in Indy series
- Free throw shooting
- New York Guy (passion for the Team)
- 2 way player (more or less)
- decent back to basket game
- Can play along side of Tyson and Melo
- Often injured
- some playoff experience but not a lot for a player with 10+ years
- new to team (continuity
- his perception of his value
Brand is in the same situation Kmart was in last off season, he may think there is more of a market out there for him! I would love Brand to come but would hate to see Kmart walk as we wait for Brand only to sign him after the season starts. It is imperative that we start this season with all our rotation guys!
now weighing the plus and minus it seems that Kmart brings more, yet the things Brand brings are more what we need...we'd take a step back defensively, yet we'd improve significantly on the offensive end, Brad's offensive abilities against Indy changes that series dramatically...lets examine possible lineups with both
To me this should have been our starting 5 yet it fizzled during the playoffs -at least the one game Woody tried it-. Kmart's limited offensive game allows teams to double hard on Melo and/or clog the lanes which also hurts Felton's drives. yet Tyson and Kmart on the floor together is strong! And with Shump guarding his man on perimeter we would be a top 5 defensive team
On paper this is a very solid starting 5. The problem is this pretty much negates the need of either Stat or Bargs...we gave up too much (picks) not to play Bargs and Stat just makes too much to be benched. Brand unlike Kmart does not slide well to the 5 so he presents a potential log jam at 4 not to mention creating an issue in terms of backup Center.
cast your votes...I'm still deciding
Excellent evaluation of KMART...a known quantity. I would like both at Veteran minimums but if I must choose it's K MART who saved our season last year.
Originally Posted by New New York
Not a fan of EB. Never seems to work out when teams bring him in to be a piece in taking a team to the next level, hence you're comment that he doesn't have a lot of playoff experience for a guy with over 10 years experience. His agent said geography is not his big concern at this stage in his career so don't expect him to take the vet's min just to play in NY.
Much rather have KMart.
and we cant have both because why ? it would be equal in terms of attitude and experience at the 4/5 positions as if sheed and kmart were there all year and healthy. brand and kmart together with amare and bargs switching in at the 5 position behind chandler would be a nightmare match up wise; we would have a stretch 4-5 with bargs, we would have an athletic slasher pick and roll player in amare, and we would have rebounding, aggressive veterans in brand and k mart; we learned last year very quickly that you cant have enough bigs going down the stretch, if camby was healthy, sheed was alive and Thomas wasn't damned by the broken foot we probably would have faired much differently against the pacers; to have amare, bargs, brand and k mart as well as chandler to throw against roy hibbert and d west; I think that would work out well---- I say bring em both in some how some way as both are vets and wont get much money on the open market.
I would lean towards taking Brand if I had to choose. He's not the defender K-Mart is but he does rebound and can score in the post which are two things the Knicks need. Also in either scenario I don't think K-Mart or Brand are the starters anyway. I think Bargs should start because he would space the floor better and he would not get in the way as much with Melo as K-Mart, Brand, and Stat would. So the question really becomes would you rather have a Brand and Stat or K-Mart and Stat as your bigs coming off the bench. Even in this case I would lean towards Brand slightly. But like DrB said I would love to have both.
I'm taking brand. He's bigger and younger. Can guard in the post and won't get horsed by Bigs. I'm not saying k mart did. Brand can hit the mid range too
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The reason we don't get them both is that once we sign one there is no way the other signs because there would be no PT...I mean w the Andrea trade alone minutes at the 4 spot is gonna be hard enough. Consider Woody would rather play Melo at the 4 then that alone represents 3 PFs (Melo, Stat,Andrea) then there is no way we go get 2 more!
Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
although i was a big KMart shopper and supporter last year, he definitely faded in the playoffs, and that was after playing not many games at all. i don't think he's in great shape and may never be, just good for a short duration. he may be an intimidator, but he's not all that on either offense or defense when you come down to it.
on the other hand Brand is a much smarter player, can be an offensive weapon as a shooter and inside player, has a complete game, is younger than KMart, and I believe would welcome a return to his hometown playing with Melo and current Knickstape. .
I remember plenty games when Brand was on Philly where he absolutely scorched the Knicks with rebounding and scoring.
IMHO, go with Brandy!
Brand blocks more shots than Martin, but you failed to it list down in comparisons.
Martin per 36 (18 games)
5.3 foul per game
Elton Brand per 36 (72 games)
4.5 fouls per game
This thread is so pointless.
Both guys are basically equally good. Who ever we get will help this team, period.
I rather have both for depth.
Such a weak thread you posted twice in it...interesting
Originally Posted by metrocard
I've never seen someone who craves so much attention!
it comes down to the rotation...
Martin has the ability to be a decent center while most think he should only play the 4, which I agree...
The Knicks need a bench player for Tyson Chandler that could step in and play starting minutes, which is why they are looking at Brand...
Next season the bench rotation for Anthony at the PF position will be a platooning of Stoudemire/Bargnani...
Issues for the Knicks, is how or if they get Copeland back with who plays the 3... Likely since we only have two PGs right now we won't run similar lineups like last season... Hardway Jr. & Leslie could see massive minutes...
kmart is equally injury prone
They're equal. They have very different skill sets but as far as currently they will have the same amount of effect on a game just in different ways
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