OF COURSE!!!! WHY SHOULDN'T THE KNICKS KEEP THIS BUNCH TOGETHER?!!! THEY'RE MAKING SUCH GREAT PROGRESS!!!!!!!!
(do i even have to write the words very sarcastic?)
pretty much everyone is remaining in place for the rest of the season.................
when isiah says he will be inactive, he is telling the truth... no one wants anything we have in our B.O.S. (bag of ****)..
I think Dolan put the hammer down on Isaiah and told him he has to succeed with this team only. Either he makes winners out of this team (lolololololololololololololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!) or his ass is gone like a fart in the wind.
His reasoning for not being active before the deadline could have been much better though. C'mon, who are you kidding with trying to convince people that you really believe this team is good????
Isaiah is an NBA champion so I know he doesn't really believe this is a team that can win.
Stop it Isaiah, we're blind to your tyrany!
To much hope in Isiah
"you don't become GM of NY by being an idiot"
Originally Posted by donchris
Obviously, thomas is an idiot, therefore your point is wrong. You're still drinking the kool-aide. Thomas still has you fooled
"He has to know something we don't. "
do you really belive that? Maybe he does have something brewing, maybe he can't make trade Dolans orders, maybe he cant trade because no one wants what we have, except lee/balkman and maybe chandler. If he does have someone interested, maybe he doesn't want to give away his edge? whatever that could be? But you were right about one thing, he is "a calculating, manipulative dude" he's still trying to manipulate the public, his bosses and the NBA into believing he knows what he's doing. He's trying so hard to make us believe in him. Maybe he's just an idiot that fooled us all.
How many times did he tell us this is the move that takes NY back to the top. This is the trade or signing we needed to get to the next level. He makes these trades or moves and it brings hope to all knick fans even the pessimists, we all are con-ed by his moves and trades, we all buy into his knicks and then ultimately realize, he's just the idiot everyone else thinks he is.
I would like to bring Bibby and Artest to the Knicks but in order to accomplish this trade we would have to take Kenny Thomas and his bad contract. Is that worth it?
This trade scenario works and Sacramento might go for it:
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Sacramento will get rid of Kenny Thomas, unload a lot of salary at the end of next season and get a young player to replace Artest. The Knicks get rid of Marbury, get a good point guard and Ron-Ron.
Thats pretty tough,
Sac doesn't knock off any salary until 2009/10 season and it's only about 6.15 mill. Thats one side.
We are getting the best two players in the deal, artest and bibby.
They are getting a mental catastrophy marbury who is past his prime ,and offenseless Balkman.
If they are willing to only save money two years from now they may take it.
On our side, we really need a change. Artest sought after shortly after the draft where we didn't take him. Chances are we'll get him next year anyway. Bibby is getting older. Kenny thomas is equally as useless as malik rose and we'd be strapped with his contract and extra year! Thomas is done playing, there is a chance he'll just retire before 2009/10.
isiah will be able to sign artest to the mle this summer, i think its 32m for 5 years..
will ron want to shortchange himself and take such a contract??... he has an option at 8.5m for next year, and i would think that someone will pay him 10+ for a couple/few years... who that someone is.. i can't tell ya..
if i was him, took the mle, getting paid 6m, come to the knicks, see jefferies who can't hold my 'jock-strap'* making similar $$$, see q-rich and jamal making 8.5, see malik making 7.5, working my tail off on "D", rebounding/scoring and diving for loose balls, all the while wide-load curry is at the other end of the court munching on a wopper... no i don't see him in new york...
* thanks to larry holmes for the use of the quote
Balkman Has Been Offered For Artest
January 3, 2008 - 11:05 am
Sacramento Bee -
Renaldo Balkman has been offered in various deals for Ron Artest as an alternative to David Lee, but it's made no difference.
The Kings are interested in Lee and Nate Robinson
I thought Isiah wasnt lookin to make any trades, maybe his stupid ass finally realized after losing to Sac without 3 of their best players that this Knicks team is goin nowhere. I think Isiah is on crack, hes gotta be to be talkin about championships. Does this look like a f*ckin championship team?
*When I said video game ratings, I was referring to 2K8. They have the most realistic ratings but I think some of you still know what I was talkin about. Michael Doleac for example must have a low rating but at least he knew somethin about how to position himself to prevent easy baskets. There was a play last night where Mikki Moore got the ball right under the hoop and got an easy basket. Moore is a twig and there is no way he should get that type of positioning but Eddy was too slow and dumb to do anything about it.
We have a lot of players that are tradable. In fact most of our line up is tradable outside of James, Jeffries and may be Marbury. If we can be fooled by idiots then we over estimate our own intelligence. I don't think he's an idiot. I think he should be fired because the plan he has created is not working. But may be it's too early to trade Curry. When motivated he can score 24 at will. Maybe all the focus should be on making Curry/Randolph work and constantly feeding the ball inside. Maybe Crawford should take less shots. There are a lot of ifs and maybes but as open as the east is the Knicks can go on a 5-8 game winning streak at any time. Then talk in every forum online will change. My point was that Thomas has to see that some degree of change needs to be made. I'm sure Herb at some point has told he we need a strong defensive presence. Thomas is trying to low-ball the Kings when he says, "We wont be too active before the trade deadline".
Originally Posted by jzero29
not including our young guys we have
Originally Posted by donchris
q-rich- has 2 more years at 18m.. can't shoot/play 'd' otherwise a solid player
curry- has 3 more years at 31m... other then being fat/slow/unable to defend, or rebound, he too is solid
zach- has 3 more years at 48m ... portland let us have zach for a burger and fries.. what make u think someone else will give us a burger,fries and a coke?
jamal- 3 more year at 28m... mite be of interest to a team who wants their shooting guard to shoot 10/12 tonite... and 2/12 tommorrow nite
malik- only 1 more year at 7.6m.. he will be tradeable in feb 09.. till then take a seat
well thats our team... maybe one of the above is a chip... u mite be right, it's just that i don't see it...
Just as many of us believed Isiah's story of building a contender you are believing the media hype. It was once said that Francis was untradable but we shipped him off and got a 20,10 player out of Zach Randolph. None of our players outside of Randolph can put a team on their backs even if properly coached but they all can be good additions to a line up that is missing a few pieces.
Originally Posted by paris401
Crawford gets too many shots. In a different system he would shoot less and make more shots.
Randolph - Can score 20 points 10 rebounds on any given night. Don't let a few bad games fool you. Randolph is still a beast.
Richardson - pretty much finished but can be packaged in a trade with any combination of our young players.
Rose - With just over a year and one half remaining on his contract he too can be traded and will be more appealing in a package.
Curry- There are a lot of teams that need a low post scorer. Curry can be a great asset to a team that is solid defensively. The problem with the Curry/Randolph pairing is no one focuses on defense first. Now place Curry in Minnesota with Theo Ratliff and see if they don't have an improved squad.
Trading players isn't the problem. We could rid our selves of Jerome James if we were willing to package him with Lee and Robinson? The same media personalities that said Francis was untradable say that the Knicks can't make trades and the players have no value. No, we can't make a block buster trade for Kobe or Labron but we have the assets to build a good balanced team.
Good post donchris, everyone is sayin that Lee is the only player on this team that is tradeable but several players in the right system can make a positive impact on another team.
Originally Posted by donchris
the media hype... we have 8 wins and 22 losses.. that ain't hype..
as to zach.. what isiah did was exchange 35m in salary for 61m.. hey i thought isiah picked the pocket of portland.. till i saw zach play... he's like the roach motel... the ball checks in, but doesn't check out
crawford... maybe u are rite...
q-rich.. anyone can be traded.. witness stevie franchise... but q has a back that u can't insure.. he will be very tough to move
malik... see above comments (exclude the bad back comment)
i agree with ya trades are possible... but to what end??? to trade franchise for zach and add 30m add payroll... or trading malik with lee or nate, and taking back a contract with an add. 2-3 years.. we are in salary-cap hell this year, and next year, and the following year we will be barely under the cap... but only have 8 players...
maybe i should say that a trade that will make us better is pretty unlikely...
one man's opinion.. right or wrong...
Bibby, in a heart beat. Artest, i wouldn't want him. and yes it's all the off court ****. i wrote this a while back in another thread and i'll write it again here, talent and bad attitude = poisned locker room and a wrecked team.
Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
kinda like our NY Knicks.
but Bibby, i think he would be a great addition to the knicks.