do you have. Not opinions. Some say 600, some say 400, some say 200. All I know is the things that were said to have happened, happened. Cant argue whether that's fact or not.
Plus, when you put into perspective the many other prophecies of the bible that came true, one disputing it would have to take the it was written afterwards stance. Because they have no other argument against it. There are many disputes on the subject of evolution.. even with the very ones who try to prove it happened.
And it is fact that life has existed on Earth for almost 4 billion years. I've shown you the fossils. Why do you choose to ignore these facts? Why are there not human fossils 150 million years ago, but there are dinosaur fossils from 150 million years ago? Why are there single-celled organism fossils from 3.5 billion years ago, but not humans or dinosaurs? It's because life began from simple organsims 4 billion years ago and evolved to complex ones.
Do you see the difference? Facts are things that can be proven. You can see them, touch them, analyse them and test them. We cannot do any of that with God.
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God reveals himself thoroughly in his written word the bible. What his purpose was for mankind, why he allows suffering throughout history, Who is really behind that suffering and how he plans to restore order the way he intended. ALL THERE. But again, I don't blame you, or those like you. Millions have been mislead by false teachings. In fact, false teaching is what God hates the most. He blames it the most on why humanity is the way it is. Because if everyone was taught properly about him, no way would the world be in such peril.
You say you can't believe in something invisible... But you know you won't float into the atmosphere by jumping. Why? Because of an invisible force we call gravity. You can't see wind, you cant grasp it, you can't taste it, but you know it exists. Can't see water evaporate.. but you know it does.. You can't see God, but if we are in his image like he says, then by the things we are capable of doing, we can see him through us.
So because our dna is closely linked with primates means we evolved from them? REALLY? Is that a fact? Has any primate ever even remotely appeared as if it was about to turn human that we have seen? NO!
Now this carbon dating stuff, a little over my head, refresh me if possible. But the fossil record, I have read up on that, and in fact even posted a ton about that on the last page of the religious thread, I did not see a reply from you either on that subject.
Can I ask you a serious question though? What makes a person find a fossil right, and then determine that it is 3.5 BILLION years old? What piece of machinery, or knowledge can a person have today, that they can accurately determine something that is 3.5 BILLION years old, but at the same time, the book of Daniel which is not even a tenth in age compared to the so called fossil record, they speculate on precise time of writing, even though it deals with real people, time and events that other people were around to see????????? Why should i be inclined to believe scientists find bones THEY determine are billions of years old somehow, but disregard the book of Daniel which speaks of actual events other people were there to see, because people say it was doctored? What stops these scientists from exaggerating or doctoring????????
And that is not the only reason it is inaccurate to you. One is that you want it to be, and secondly is becaue your biblical knowledge in itself takes on a different meaning than what the bible itself actually says. But I don't blame you for that, that goes on your teachers and understanding of it based on that.
What makes one scientists credible vs another? What criteria goes into that? And how many actual scientists make up this 98%? And facts are not based on belief. Fact is always truth.
I believe the unfulfilled prophecies of the bible will happen as it says because, the ones in the past have come true. The ones in the past happened. So they are factual. Indisputable. My beliefs.. MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.
Im just answering your first response in case knicks4lyfe didnt, in the Bible God say he will come again in the future. He has two comings, one happened were he was Jesus and crucified on the cross as we all know. The second will be after something we call the tribulation and the years of suffering etc. Due to the rapture, the world will be in chaos due to the sudden dissapearence of god's followers it will be the most dramatic event the world has ever seen. When it happens and when God returns its said in our book, that people still wont believe it is GOD even though he will decend from heaven because some people have been blinded so long that nothing will make them believe. Just like when people saw Jesus perform miraccles the Jews still called him a blastphemer and a fake. In your case u said that if u saw God then you'd believe, well many cases like that will happen so i hope it happens to you too.
I am absolutely positive it won't happen. I will die someday. You will die someday. And neither of us will see it. Because it won't happen. When you are hopefully very old, and close to death, I hope you will remember this conversation. Hopefully you will have enjoyed your life. And that is the most important thing.
So my question to you is were do you think your going when you die? Whats your take on after you die?
For your benefit LJ, I will post this.
Act 1:8 but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth.” 9 And after he had said these things, while they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their vision. 10 And as they were gazing into the sky while he was on his way, also, look! two men in white garments stood alongside them, 11 and they said: “Men of Gal´i·lee, why do YOU stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was received up from YOU into the sky will come thus in the same manner as YOU have beheld him going into the sky.”
Jesus second coming will not be with him being seen on a cloud. Look closely at the end of verse 9. Says he was caught up from their vision... THEY COULD NO LONGER SEE HIM EVEN THOUGH THEY KEPT GAZING.
So the two angels who appeared as men let them know that he would return the same way he left, and when he left in the clouds, they could no longer see him...
Also here in Luke Jesus the Pharasees ask when the Kingdom was coming(which is Jesus second coming)
Luke 17:20 But on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them and said: “The kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness,21 neither will people be saying, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For, look! the kingdom of God is in YOUR midst.”
In fact, Jesus told his disciples exactly what to look for, as in signs to tell his coming.
Luke 17:26 Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage, until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 But on the day that Lot came out of Sod´om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.
and here in Mathew 24:3 While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
Why would signs be needed if he is going to truly come on clouds and every eye will see him? And the ramifications of every eye actually seeing him would mean dynamic miraculous feats. One, what of blind people? infants? What does that mean for infants? They could not possibly understand the ramifications. How can we see something in the clouds? I mean even the bright sun is covered in the clouds... However, I don't question whether God is capable of doing such things, but everything he has ever done has been done with sound reason. So this would be highly unlikely. Especially since Jesus told his disciples what SIGN to look for concerning his presence.
So what you should look for is the sign of his presence, cuz you won't be seeing him in any clouds.
To LJ, before u answer this i wana hear ur take ony my post before about after death. And wut u said about ud like to hear some of the atehist and agnosic astronomers i mentioend them in some posts with knickfans4realz so you can find it i bolded and underlined their statements. It's about the debate on if the universe had a beginning using the Cosomological Argument.
I have also met people that have come close to death and one person who actually died twice! He was in a car accident one time and he was struck by lightning the other time. Both times he was pronounced dead, but did not see anything. No beautiful light, no hot firey place, nothing. I bet you though, all those people your dad treated were raised in a christian society. Athiest or not, in this society we are pounded with the message of heaven and hell. And you're right, some people may doubt their atheism at their death bed and may believe they saw the bible's version of heaven or hell. I don't doubt that. The mind can do crazy things, especially at a time of near death. When people have near-death experiences in other cultures, they see their versions of "heaven" too.
Why do you worship a being that punishes you for not worshipping him? Is fear the main reason you worship him? Fear of burning in hell? I would hope an all-powerful being would be more understanding. I've been a good person my whole life. I've treated others with respect, helped those in need, and plan on dedicating my life to protecting the environment. But if I go to hell because I don't worship him, then that is a truly sad, egotistical, self righteous being.
The same goes for astronomy. Both are very humbling sciences and really put the human race into perspective within the grand scheme of life and the universe. Thoroughly understanding these two sciences, along with understanding the concept of the passage of time can only make one doubt the bible and doubt the existence of a supreme being that cares for us.
God told the first pair what would happen to them due to sin
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Notice, no mention of returning to heaven, or going to a fiery place of torment.
Some people believe that it's not the flesh that actuall goes to hell, but it's your immortal soul. God never actually gave Adam a soul within his body. Bible says he formed Adam from dust, and he breathed into the now formed man the breath of life, and then the man came to BE A LIVING SOUL.
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.
That implies that all living humans on earth are actual souls, and not that he gave humans souls apart from their flesh.
As imperfect humans we know we sin, and therefore we die. Lets just for argument sake say we do have a separate immortal soul. Can the soul inside an imperfect being not sin if its part of us? Then why would God punish us in the flesh for sinning, not the soul inside of us that has also adhered to the sinning the flesh has done? God said this once concerning souls
ezekiel 18: 4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die. Answers.com says death means:death (dĕth) http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/pron.gif
- The act of dying; termination of life.
- The state of being dead.
In order for your soul to burn in hell forever and you be consciously aware of it, you must in some way actually be alive. But Jehovah himself says the soul that sins it itself will die. So either death in the bible does not mean what death as we know it means to a lot of people, or clearly a lot of people have it all wrong when it comes to life after death, and it is just as God says, from dust you are, and dust you will return.
But further scriptures on what happens after death..
Ecclesiastes 9: 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten
and 10 All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She´ol(She'ol is the Hebrew word for grave, but is also translated Hell in some bibles, but only in certain spots), the place to which you are going.
And here in Psalms 146:
3 Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.
4 His spirit ( translated from the hebrew word ru'ach, which means breath )goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.
How can you burn in hell forever and know it, when the bible says that when you die your very thoughts perish? No knowledge nor wisdom?
All of these scriptures seem to lead back to what God said would happen to Adam and Eve in Gen 2:19
" For dust you are and to dust you will return.”