Metro, bottom line stats wise Balkman and Jeffries are basically the same player, you can look it up. Balkman had more trade value than Jeffires due to his young age, athleticism, defense, and low contract. Jeffries doesnt impress and neither does Balkman, realize this cuz its making me frustrated over an argument that doesnt matter cuz he plays with Denver now. You know he wouldnt get the minutes you'd give him. Even Mike D said that he doesnt fit in his style and he wouldnt get enough playing time, he said this in an article. Your favorite player wouldnt even play, end of story.
You need to watch games before you post.
Balkman is +
Jefferies is -
Don't be that ignorant.
Balkman impresses when he gets PT and is healthy, everyone can agree to this.
Balman can average a double/double with a fair share of steals/blocks/assist, he's the ideal role player.
Jefferies fails as a role player because he doesn't do anything good.
double, double in what?....exclude the points cuz he cant score. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...he can get a double double in missed free throws and the amount of times he made me laugh each game.:thumbsup: There's your double double on Balkman...come on son he wasnt that good, he had the jumpin ability, energy and some defense skills and thats it. Stop makin him out to be the next T-Mac.
Originally Posted by metrocard
Who the hell said Balkman is the next T-Mac? You're being mad foolish and ignorant.
Balkman was our defense.
He averaged 10 rebounds per 36 minutes, he rebounds at a high rate.
He averaged a block and couple of steals per 36, he was actually very EFFICIENT.
Balkman was our best fullcourt player.
He ignited the offense with his defensive prowess.
Watch some Knicks games, you really don't know what you're talking about selling Balkman short because you didn't catch him play.
Firstly, im not writing an essay to be graded, so once its understandable, i dont care, so ur little gramatical corrections and comments dont phase me, im a professional, if i want to write correctly, i will, but im online, and i write how i speak in a social setting....get use to it. Secondly, your crawford criticism is gettin old for a comeback in response to a post that had nothing to do with him. That eliminates ur first 4 paragraphs....now, u want facts? ok.
Originally Posted by metrocard
Renaldo Balkman #32 Forward
PPG 3.4 RPG 3.30 APG 0.6 EFF + 5.66
Jamal Crawford #11 Guard
PPG 20.6 RPG 2.60 APG 5.0 EFF + 16.04
Not comparing them directly, but look at the effiency rating, crawford is 3 times more efficient than balkman.
now on to your "balkman igniting the comeback" theory, i will only give referece to the losing streaks because i have more things to do with my time than proving you wrong. Also, u say we crawford plays well when we lose, another biased nut-hugger opinion that i will prove to be false.
Lets go back in time to our longest losing streak of last season, nov. 11 - 22nd.
NYK vs Magic, nov 11th
11 mins, +/- = -7, 0%ft, 0/1 fg, 4 turnovers, 1 steal
37 mins, +/- = -8, 100%ft, 5/15 fg, 6 turnovers, 1 steal
bad game crawford = loss, balkman has more turovers per 48 mins
NYK vs Miami
14 mins, +/- = -9, 0%ft, 1/4 fg, 1 turnover, 0 steals
39 mins, +/- = -3 , 4/5 ft, 4/14 fg, 3 turnovers, 2 steals
bad game crawford = knick loss again
NYK Vs PHX
23 mins, +/-= -5, 0/2 ft, 1/5 fg, 0 t-o, 0 steals
40 mins, +/-=-16, 3/4 ft, 8/16fg%, 5 to 2 steals
Bad game crawford, too many to's , ok offesnive game...knick loss
no mystery balkman comeback, nothing in 23 mins, same 10 min stats.
NYK Vs LAC
Balkman was INJURED
NYC vs Denver
Balkman fouls out in 12 mins!!!
i wont even comment on that, crawford had another bad game
NYC VS GS
Balkman, injured reserve
NYC VS Detroit
Balkman, injured reserve.
so ummm, where is this incredible balk that u speak of, the one who ignites the fast break and makes the garden have orgasms when he trows down a thuderous dunk??? come on, balkmans good games were few and far between. lets take a look at our 3 games win streaks, i believe we had a few of those.
NYC Vs Detroit
21 mins, +/-= +1, 1/5ft, 3/5 fg, 1 t/o , 3 steals
31 mins, +/-= +21, 4/4ft, 5/10fg, 1 t/o,
with balkmans horrific free throw % it dosent make sense having him as a slasher if he cant finish unless its a dunk.
NYC Vs. Wizards
18 mins, +/-= +10, 2/3 ft, 3/6 fg, 0 t/o, 0 steals, 0 blk
41 mins, +/- = +8, 11/19, 6/7 3pts, 1/2 ft, 4 t/o, 2 steals
argualbly balkmans best statistical game, his season high in boards (8) n 7 pts
crawford carried this game for us.
NYC vs. NJN
1/2 fg, 3 fouls, 1 turnover, 0 blk, 0 steals, 12mins
Crawford, 42 mins
11/20, 6/10 3pts, 7/8 ft, 35 pts, 8 asst.
Now, the reason why i dont list balkmans rebounds is becaus ehe only averages 3 per game. in the games listed, besides his 7 rebound game, he has never reached the 4 rebound mark in any of the games listed.
I will not list is assists either because his career high in assist is 4...twice, he has never scored more than 5 fg in a game in his life.
U want facts ? those are the facts. Now back to your clowny ass post,
No1 ever brought up game winning shots, those are selected by the coach, not the player. u talk about making game winning shots, no1 in nba history can consistantly make a game winning shot, if every1 did, game winning shots wouldnt be exciting if it were the norm. Say something of substance *******.
Now heres ur assignment, try and prove me wrong, try and prove ur stupid facts, ask urself this question, why isnt MSG backing u up now? Because ur wrong. U are obviously tainted by his 06-07/07-08 summer league play. Ill bet u didnt even watch the game when harris got dunked on. u only watched 40 games....thats what u told me. We play 82 games, go n download sopcast, go to channelsurfing.net, so u can get on my level an watch EVERY knick game. Ask ur team starbury leader, i commented on EVERY game thread, and gave info on what i saw to those that didnt watch the game.....about 5 of us were there posting play by play. You are defending a player who's career averages are
15% 3pt, (he took 40 of em), shoots a lower free throw percentage than eddy curry, 3 reb/game, 0.8 steals, 0.5 blks, 0.7 to, n 2.6 fouls per game.....one question....
ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID?
I am not hating on balkman, im just being real, he was simply a hustle guy...plain n simple, no need to make him to be the next ron artest or bruce bowen or anything. He was an energy guy, i like energy, but i respect talent. Balkman is limited in the talent area. I will stand by my thought, good move on getting a second rounder for balkman donnie. Metrosexual is acting more like a homosexual....all over dudes nuts n ****. Dont even come with the crawford ****, cuz i criticize him as well, as i do every player....he is wreckless at times, he has a below average shot selection, and he needs to attack more...i also understand that he would not attack and put his body on the line for a 23 win team. Nor have i made a "crawford appreciation " thread. I would make a "Toons appreciation"thread first! or a knicks appreciation thread. Punk.
Damn! Someone got bodied!
Originally Posted by Toons
he bodied himself.
put balkman on detroit, and he will be a nobody.
his defense looks good cuz our team plays none
dude i watched knicks games stop using that in your argument, he was embarissing.
Originally Posted by metrocard
I see you weren't smart enough to finish your assignment.
You failed the class.
You're a F level poster, all you could do is call me "stupid" because I'm not hugging Crawford's nuts and giving reasonable reasons why Balkman did good for this team?
You're an unemployed Crawfordsexual, you're a professional at cleaning Crawford's ass with baby wipes. Don't try to front on here.
Look at what you're doing.
You're comparing Crawford's 40 minutes
to Balkman's 15 minutes.
Is that logical at all?
You're acting like as if its equal.
Thats one of the dumbest things I've heard, almost as bad as the stuff on REALGM.
Do you know any math at all?
Do you know 15 minutes doesn't equal 40 minutes?
You're making yourself look bad here.
The sad part, you based your whole argument on that! LMAO
You're as one dimensional as your Sex God, Jamal when it comes to posting.
Crawford played most minutes on the Knicks, he's accountable for why we're so bad offensively and defensively.
Any Knick fan who watches the games throughly and doesn't focus and zoom in on Crawford's culo during the game will know the following.
Crawford's overdribbling makes the offense stagnant and makes defense easy for the other team.
When Crawford overdribbles, the offense becomes slow, he kills the pace and flow of the offense.
When you add that with a slow minded Eddy Curry, you're going to get a lot of 24 shot clock violations.
Crawford's inability to play within the offense has hurt us ever since his arrival here.
It is a fact that Crawford is more comfortable playing freestyle.
Whats the problem though?
Crawford isn't that good.
Crawford isn't Kobe
Crawford isn't Baron Davis.
To have Crawford play so much isolation and freestyle one on one will equal to a non efficient offense.
I mean, who really wants Crawford as their primary guy? He's the worst primary scoring in the NBA. Curry was the worst the year before.
These are C level palyers, just like Balkman.
How do I rank my players?
On terms of production, intangibles, overall talent, ability, and skill on offense and defense, experience, knowledge of the game, and ability to play on both sides of the floor.
Crawford's PPG isn't bad.
But when you look at his defense, his FG% and his one dimensional game, he would be rated 75-78 in any video game. Thats really a C.
Check out the per 36 minute adjusted stats.
Who would you want?
I would choose candidate B.
*ability to do a little of everything.
*complimentary role player who won't keep the offense stagnant
*elite defender with almost 2 stl and 2 blk per game...great help defender
*limited offensively, but still a very solid all around C level player.
This what we need to understand.
Crawford and Balkman are C level players.
The only difference is that Crawford is more one dimensional, where Balkman comes from other dimensions and contributes.
Sure, we know he can't shoot or score, but you need some one to do other the all other stuff.
That what makes Balkman special.
Crawford plays like a 6"2 off guard that belongs on the bench. He's nothing special since theres a tons of combo guards in the NBA and in the free agent market.
You always need those energic defenders off the bench, especially come playoff time.
I think about WIN
When I envision the future for the Knicks, I envision WINS.
Thats why I supported the Gallinari pick.
He's a experienced winner.
Who plays exactly like Crawford with no handle and has no experience winning.
Keeping Balkman? WIN.
Having Crawford clock 40 minutes a game? 23 WINS a season.
All those stats you posted, throw them in the garbage.
Balkman was injured during that period.
Isiah didn't have a set rotation.
Balkman his rookie season averaged a double double per 36 minutes.
Every Knick fan knows Balkman's ability to ignite the offense with his defense.
As alway everyone knows Crawford's chucks, misses and turnovers ignites the other teams offense with open fastbreaks.
These are facts you can only get from watching the game.
If you can't see that, then you need to rewatch the games over again.
Cylde constantly breaks down Balkman's DEFENSIVE PROWESS and how the Knicks do better as a fast break team.
Toons, no offense; but you're pretty whack.
Swagger jacking off me? Damn, you can't be creative yourself?
I guess you learn from the best.
Paul1355, you haven't proved you watch much games at all.
To Metro: final Balkman statement
i watched enough games to realize Balkman was a joke. Balkman stood out on the court, cuz he made everyone laugh. Blew so many easy shots and then when he was fouled, he made only 43% of them. All the shots he made except one three pointer, was usually within 2 feet of the basket so his 48% fg percentage is pathetic. He's a fan favorite and i listed why many times before i dont want to keep repeating myself. Last time...energy, athleticism and defense...thats it.
Mike D disagrees with your opinion on Balkman, so stop crying that your boyfriend is gone.:boohoo:
48% FG is pathetic?
Balkman is a joke?
I'll let you be ignorant bro, your freedom.
lol no hard feelings, every shot he took was within 2 feet of the basket thats why i pointed that out.
Originally Posted by metrocard
BTW honest question.....You pissed off that Mike D felt that Balkman wouldnt fit in his style and get any playing time?
Closer shots are harder to make because you have MEN in your grill. You gonna make lots of shots with Shaq or Zo staring you down?
Balk is 6'8 with great athleticism...Marbury is 6'3 you think he misses alot of close shots? thats what he is best at..attacking the backet wit BIG MEN in his grill. Even Nate attacks the basket against big men sometimes and doesnt miss. Balkman doesnt have that ability, even with his great jumping ability and athleticism. He doesnt have post moves and that makes him look bad when shooting up close...and he airballs ALOT of easy shots, i wouldnt say this all the time if i didnt see it all the time. To give the excuse that closer shots are harder is really weak, since so many guards drive to the basket knowing that the height is at a disadvantage were Balkman is pretty tall and has the jumping ability.
Originally Posted by TunerAddict