Balkman put up 4 blocks and 3 blocks when he got consistent time in Denver. I remember Balkman being awesome defensively when he was a Knick (could also be cuz we are a garbage defensive team). Granted he has no offensive awareness....but a lockdown defender is much more valuable role player. Why??? Cuz you can sign that dude for like 2 or 3 mil for many years. He could have been what Jared Jeffries real market value is (tho i guess Jared Jeff is 6'11'')
Lee will never put up 4 blocks. I mean....let's be real are you only watching him on the offensive side of the ball. He is Udonis Haslam. A bigman that can't block. A nice role player. Haslam makes 6.8 and i would be very happy if Lee got that sort of money. If he makes 6.8mil, he is NOT overrated, we are getting him at market value.
If you pay him 10 it is a terrible signing in the vein of giving Allan Houston that 100 mil contract.
Lee is currently overrated in New York and around the league because he's the best player on the Knicks (which is not saying much) and because current circumstances are ideal for him to excel and put up good stats.
The Knicks have no rebounding and little inside scoring since the Randolph trade. Combine that with the faster pace the Knicks are playing at and you have a recipe for Lee putting up some very good rebounding numbers and better than his typical scoring average.
On a good team with a solid rebounding center, Lee would be more or less a 10 and 8 guy. Not that that's terrrible, but he's still just a very solid backup PF that can also fill in as a starter on a bad team or if there's an injury etc...
Look around the league. It's really not that hard to find a PF that can average 9-10 rebounds "per 36 minutes". It's also not that hard to find one that's a pretty efficient scorer around the basket. What's difficult to find is someone that can do those things plus block shots, play great defense, post up well, shoot well from the outside shot etc.... (some combination of those other things)
If Lee stays around for 2010 beyond, that would be fine. But right now his price is so high relative his real value, it probably makes some sense to try to trade him instead of signing him for 10 million or letting him walk. If we could get him for 6M-8M, that would be a different story.
Balkman's fans like him because he's an efficient scorer around the basket, an above average rebounder for a SF, and a good defender. I guess that's a lot to like for a role player. But his fans tend to overrate him. He's such a terrible outside shooter and offensive thinker it's easy for defenders sag off him and double team other players. That doesn't show up in his stats. It shows up as weaker stats for some of his teamates. It's very hard to play basketball 4 against 5 on offense unless that 5th guy brings immense talent to the defensive end or the team has some extraordinary offensive talent to go along with him.
Originally Posted by Paul1355
There is a reason Isiah didn't play him much, Walsh and D'Antoni didn't even want him, and right now in Denver he gets garbage minutes or DNP Coach's Decision almost every night.
One big difference about Lee and Balkman is that Balkman is consistently horrible while Lee improves weaknesses in his game and it's only a matter of time were he starts getting some blocks.
Originally Posted by clumsy
He can block shots he just NEVER puts his hands up or attempts a block. Mike Dantoni has to engrave fundamental defense on this team if he wants to see anyone get a block.
And Lee is a poor defender. Any guy he defends turns into an offensive weapon. If Lee improves his defense...his value soars.
and if could add an 5ft jumper.....
[Only registered and activated users can see images. Click Here To Register...] averages 17 and 13 rebounds per 40 minutes while shooting .565 from the field and posting a PER of 18.02. He’s known for his hustle, rebounding, and solid finishing skills around the basket. Lee is expected to command an average annual salary in the range of $10 million a year when he becomes a free agent this summer.
[Only registered and activated users can see images. Click Here To Register...] is averaging 16 points and 10 rebounds per 40 minutes while shooting .565 from the field and posting a PER of 17.71. He’s known for his hustle, rebounding, and solid finishing skills around the basket. Carl Landry signed a 3 year contract this past off season at $3 million per year.
What’s the difference between David Lee and Carl Landry?
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Do you honestly want this question answered (i am going to wait for everyone to call me a racist).
He is white. Playing in the biggest market. And he is GOOD. (There is A LOT of money to be made marketing him) There you go.
oh yah he's american too.
The difference is that Landry never actually played 40 minutes a game.
He's one of those statistical wonders that look good when u calculate 'per 40', but not so good when u really make them play 40
Renaldo Balkman is a 15-10, .551, 17 PER guy too if u calculate his "per 40". but that's because he's playing garbage minutes and gets DNP-CD in close games
Can you get a different picture of the Oak man please? He is chest bumping Ewing, but he's wearing a suit! I'm such a Patrick fan but seeing him in suit reminds me of down time here in New York.
ohh didnt think of it this way
lmao at the dude who compared landry to lee....hahahaha
landry isnt good enough to play 40 minutes.
unless scola is injured and artest gets injured and tmac gets traded, landry will never put up 40 minutes
David Lee is just a role player (bench) on a contender squad.
Well Obviously....you just called him Derek :teeth:
Originally Posted by KnickfaninMA
Originally Posted by rollingstone
Originally Posted by Scribbles
Do you also think D.Rodman was only a bench player? Great teams need guy's like D.Lee on the team to be Great.