Can you really blame D'Antoni for losing with this roster? Phil Jackson wouldn't be able to win with this roster, they just suck too much. They suck. As a Knicks fan it pains me to say it, but our players are awful. The ones with talent are young and undeveloped (Gallo, Hill, Chandler to a lesser extent) and the veterans are streaky players and some of them (I'm looking at YOU Duhon) just shouldn't be starting on an NBA team, period.
When D'Antoni gets a legitimate NBA roster and underperforms, then maybe I'll call for his head. I mean he had JARED JEFFRIES starting at the 4 last night. You can't honestly expect him to win given a roster like that. Once we dump Chris Duhon for a legit PG and replace Jeffries with someone who can, I dunno, score, maybe then I'll call for D'Antoni's head if his team performs like this.
But as it stands now, you didn't really expect him to win, did you?
i agree that ugly (jeffries) suxs...big time... so why start him???... why not start hill to see what u got ...is he in your long term plans or not...
i think 'toni is getting a back-hander from utah to tank the season...
He was pretty quiet about it. I'm sure he knew it would help them in the long run but hurt them that season. I think they would have made the playoffs minus those trades, but you know what I'll take this off season before I take the 8th seed last season :thumbsup:
I never expected a .500 season or anything. My guess was 37 wins. But it's not so much that we are losing ,we're all accustomed to that, it's the questionable favoritism, substitutions, and obvious inability to design a successful strategy for winning close games.
Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
In defense of our players, they showed some real, encouraging capabilities as a unit when we went on a run earlier in the season.
Since then, the team has been constantly in a turbine and that seems to be the sole reason for us slipping down that win column.
The coach is as much to blame as the players and the proof is right there to support that.
Thank you! A voice of sanity! Dant has changed his system to accommodate this lackluster group of mismatched underachievers. People ignore the evolution and still pretend he is using the same SSOL system he employed with the Suns. He does have us playing the best D in years and for a nearly two months we looked like we could sneak into the playoffs. Reality and inconsistency set in because we do not have a superstar in a game that requires at least one if not two stars to be dominant. Lee is great but is playing out of position and will never be a number one option
Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
All coaches make mistakes and I have had issues with Dant's rotation and play calls after a time out but any mistakes are magnified by our lack of talent. Do people really think Phil Jackson calls a play for Kobe to pull up for a fade away three pointer and nail it over a double team? Of course not, he runs a play for Kobe and allows him to do his thing!
Dan't will look like a genius just like he did in Phoenix with a good PG and good squad.
You start him because sadly he is our best defensive player and can guard every position. With him and Duhon playing at the same time you are only left with 3 players who can score and none who are super star level talent. That is why we blow.
Originally Posted by paris401
i think his "D" is way over-rated... and he is def not part of our future (do we have a future..that's for another thread)...now hill appears from his short stints in various games to be pretty active (def a bit raw), and maybe (just maybe) is part of our future... we ain't going anywhere this year, so let the rook's play , and lets see what they got.
Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
and no need to showcase 'ugly'... cause that's impossible.. with every shot he attempts, with every shot stuffed back into his face, his value diminish's even further... boy he blows....
Don't agree Jeffries has real NBA value and fills a need. Every good team has a player like him. The Thunder for example have Thabo Sefalosha, Rockets have Battier & Ariza. Ariza's offense blows too he's is only marginally better than jeffries offensively cuz he can hit an open jay. In fact a great place for Jeffries would be the lakers czu as much as i love Artest is prone now, lost a step, and no longer gets good elevation on his J (he's not a B offensive player anymore).
Jeffries blows for the money as his contract should be 3 or 4 mil, but more imporantly for this team. We don't have a real #1 yet. We should hope Gallinari becomes one, but either he is playing hurt or he's not developing because of how crap our squad is. I would rather play jeffries than duhon however. I have no clue how duhon is our captain.....how do you make the worst player on your squad captain....he's should mascot or something.
i would not mention battier/ariza in the same sentence as 'ugly.
i agree neither are great players, but come on those two can hit an open shot, and if they get the ball underneath they are not going tobe stuff'd 75% of the time...
imagine Douglas, Hill, Chandler and Gallo is Jeff Van Gundy was coach.....ah well, we can dream on.
This is a great post.
Originally Posted by Scribbles
I don't even have an opinion on D'Antoni because I told myself I would give him a chance when he has a quality team to coach.
I just can't think of any coach in the NBA who can do anything with this roster.
Jefferies and Duhon are starting.
and who is making that 'fine' decision.... the coach 'antoni... i've taken away the "D", as he has no clue about what "D" is..
Originally Posted by metrocard
jpz17, you've done it again. your love for this D'amnfool coach blinds you to the reality of what it takes to win in the NBA, or ANY professional sport! Walt Frazier, Johnny Hoops, just about every analyst in the sport will tell you, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! BORING???!!!?!?!?!?! SMFH, c'mon now!
Originally Posted by jpz17
"This team is perfect"?... hahaha...because why? Because D'amndickhead is running the squad? OMFG, HELP ME SOMEBODY!!!! PLEASE!!!
D'amntoni said from the very beginning that a high-powered offense will offset defense, and scoring more points than the other team is what wins games. He is correct in that logical retarded assumption, but in the real world of sport, Defense wins. Cases in point, NY Giants, Boston Celtdicks, and of course, the Champion NY Knicks of 69-70 and 72-73.
In those championship seasons, Clyde will tell you that DEFENSE was the key! Red Holzman was a defensive coach. When Knicks traded for defensive-minded Dave Debush, and allowed Willis Reed to move to his natural position at center, the Knicks became the proficient, significant defensive champions 2 out of 4 seasons.
No-D'antoni is a good coach for superstars, as he allows the players to be themselves without any real plays or defensive mindset. However, with a mediocre (at best) team like the Knicks are now, he is a sh*t coach. The way he treats his benched players is bullsh*t (Marbury, N8, Hughes, Milicic, Douglas, Hill) and the way he favors Duhound (the worst starting PG in the history of the franchise), and the OVERATED defense of the starting Giraffe, is a sign of a mental moron. F*ck him and his brother and his whole staff of yes men.
I say FIRE D'AMNTONI!!!!! I wanted Mark Jackson anyway.
The number 1 reason the Houston Rockets and the Orlando Magic signed Patrick Ewing was to work with Yao Ming and Dwight Howard(NBA centers).
Originally Posted by KBlack25
If Ewing was the coach of the Knicks, they would have gotten Lopez.
End of discussion.
Knicks' potential lineups, had the Knicks gotten Lopez
Knicks' current lineup
"Pat's a very good coach who's ready to do it, " Van Gundy said. "Like a lot of people, he just needs an opportunity."
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I'll take their word over yours. The fact that you keep using all of the skepticism with Ewing shows that you don't know what you're talking about. There is so much evidence that supports he would make a good coach, it's not even funny.
Both Ming and Howard's numbers increased, when Ewing was hired to work with them. Both teams improved, when Ewing was hired to work with them.
The Magic made the finals in 09, with Ewing as their assistant coach, and the Rockets won over 50 games twice, with Ewing as their assistant coach.
Stop hating on the Knicks' G.O.A.T, sucka.
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Did somebody actually say Ariza sucks as an offensive player?! ROTFLZ