You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Hunter/gathers were not a typr of human...it was our first society. It is how early humans organized themselves and went about their daily lives. Their society was built on hunting and gathering food for the community.
Hunter gatherer's did not exist. Adam was the first man. And he was a lot smarter than a hunter gatherer.
That fine...I guess Satan was smarter than you give him credit for. Humans do not need a supreme dictator to know what is right or wrong. I thought you believed in free will? Why do you look down on humans and yourself? You don't need the threat of eternal damnation to know not to still your neighbors possessions.
And what you just said, is what Satan basically implied to Eve, man does not need God. Thousands of years later, man without God has been an epic fail. All humans do is live in strife and turmoil, with a few good moments, then you die. Great stuff. No form of Government, or leadership has helped. But you're right, man is good, and do not need God's guidance. Because the track record of the goodness of man is so outstanding!
I ask you to examine the track record of religion. It has started more wars and justified more killings then any other thing. Power, treasures and land have nothing on religion when it comes to war. Further all religion was created by humans, implemented by humans and evolved through humans. This track record you speak of is the track record of religion.
Anyone can write something vague enough with an open ended means of interpretation and given enough time you can apply that to many real life events. Look at Nostradamus...many of his quatrains have been said to have come true. Do you believe he is a prophet?
I have said, repeatedly, Biblical prophecy is the main reason I believe the Bible is the word of God. There is no way the writers could have maneuvered in any way shape or form the future events it speaks of. Impossible. Therefore, someone with intimate knowledge of future events must be behind the inspired writers words. Correct! Man is infallible, which what makes prophecy so outstanding! It cannot come from any infallible man.
Please give me some concrete examples along with the text on these prophecies you claim have come true.
Man recorded the story of Moses, not god. Did he exists? Yes. Is there proof of anything supernatural? No. He was a hero to many and stories were told about him. Over time the stories became more fantastical because that is human nature. You can see examples of exaggeration when you see a movie "based on real life". The story may be rooted in truth but to make it entertaining one must embellish.
No, But it has been proven he existed, led God's people through the wilderness and continued on. So since the events took place that God said would take place, why would I doubt that he spoke to Moses through a burning bush? You ever met George Washington? Nah, but you know he existed, and things took place to shape this country, therefore you have no doubts that what history says happened, did so.
This means nothing and is a dodge. I can say for certainty that King James compiled many stories and gospels into a single book. JW's decided to change that book. Now you have two different interpretations of the same stores. If that is not proof enough that the book should not be considered absolute truth than I don't know what is.
Funny you should say this. tell me, which of the Bible writers takes credit for being the author of the Bible? I'll wait.
The bible goes into specifics of the time when it talks about currency, specific locations and specific actions. (just to name a few) Murder is different than total inhalation or mass killings. Further the bible makes distinctions about different types of acts such as murder and execution. This tells us that the bible and the people who wrote it weren't simply speaking in moral genralities but were actually talking about specific acts. The fact that it does not make specific mention about things beyond their time cannot be ignored.
The Bible does not need to mention WMD, or electricity to be timeless. His principles are timeless. If we loved our neighbor more than ourselves, would we even think to create WMD? Highly doubtful.
No it's not. You cannot say that a clump of cells that cannot sustain itself without feeding off of the mother is alive. Every time you scratch you arm you kill millions of cells that contain your DNA and could with the proper scientific knowledge be grown into a fully formed human being. Remeber under your definition that everytime you do so you are committing genocide.
Abortion is murder
Yet you believe we were created in his image by him hence it is his fault. BTW, what arrogance us humans have...as if there were a supreme and all powerful being that he would resemble us in anyway.
Man's fault, not Jehovah's.
Sorry but I wont read your propaganda. If you want to have a debate then have one...don't send me to read some generic talking points.
But I can prophecy! If the book says A) will happen in our time, and I look around and see it taking place, has the prophecy not then come true?
No, you clearly don't understand my point. If god is all knowing and responsible for our creation than we need not walk the path...he already knows before we even exist what all our actions are going to be. It's already written so there is no free will...there is only a path we must walk to satisfy a supreme puppet master pulling all our strings.
You clearly are misguided on what free will actually is. Free will means that even though God wants us to love him, he gives us the choice to do otherwise, by letting it play out.
Now you are making stuff up to fill the logical holes I am punching in your script. The bible is clear that god is ALL KNOWING. If you are to believe that you cannot make up that he somehow uses his own powers to hide his own omniscient knowledge. Nice try though...
The being who could create Galaxies with a thought, cannot choose to not know what a person will or won't do? You buy that? I don't.
Specific examples are required. Since I know this to be completely false it will be easy to poke holes in any vague prophecy you may repeat.
Again, tough to argue with men who did not even speak our language, or have the resources we have now, thousands of years ago, can pen events that have taken place in future times, long after they died, even down to our day. Utterly impossible for it to be staged. Their is no assumption. The Bible is the only book with such things, because God is the only one who is the future. Period.
An all knowing being knows what you would pray, think and what is in your heart therefore does not need you to pray. You pray to fulfill your own needs, not gods. BTW, when you pray...does god answer? Not metaphorically either. Do you actually hear a response?
Jehovah used to speak to Adam, personally each day before sin. Since we are now sinners, that path has been blocked by God, until mankind is brought back to it's original state. But, he has given the provision of prayer for us to speak with him about anything we wish.
So when you see the following chart do you chalk it up to a trick the devil plays on us? I guess all those fossil records and DNA are all bogus too.
Don't forget to throw in half monkey, half man, human ancestors!
Yet both are written and books by people who thought they were gods. How can you pick and chose what to believe? Zeus and Hercules predate Jesus by many years. The father of Western civilization, the Greeks believed it to be true. It allowed them to form the first Democracy, study philosophy, study mathematics and lay the ground word for all we take for granted.
Jesus existed, Zeus and Hercules, not so much.
Oh, that's right, we're men. Imperfect, all knowing book says so. so it must be. (I'll take science and verifiable data over mans fairytales from thousands of years ago any day)
Oh, that's right, we're men. Imperfect, all knowing, human science says so. so it must be.
Yes. If you understood science and properties of randomness then you would know. Our universe is so large that all we see is just the roll of a near infinite sided dice. One action leading to another and then another and so on. A massive explosion spread matter though out our know universe and was so wide and varied that it had no other choice but to settle over enough time into some type of order. This can be observed on a smaller scale here on earth. Weather patterns and DNA come to mind.
Yet, I am to believe that out of the chaos called by science "The Big Bang theory", somehow order came of it? That's not a fail, but because there are no explained answers by science why stars die, or galaxies don't form, means God failed? That's knee slap funny.
Further, science does explain why galaxies and don't form and why stars die. The fact that you are ignorant to these truths only highlights that you are arguing against science without understanding it. Now that is knee slap sad...
Science has proven that life did not always exist on earth nor was the climate able to sustain higher organisms like humans. Humans have walked the earth for a tiny part of the earths existence. The earth will be here long after we are gone.
There are many living organisms on earth. No life found anywhere else. Why can't it just be that maybe the earth was prepared for life? I mean... IT"S OBVIOUS!!!!! Why does it have to be an anomaly? Stroke of luck? Why can't it be that, maybe God decided to start making life on the planets with earth? Why can't it be that he will put life on other planets? There is a such thing as a "start", correct? Why can't we be just that?
It is not an anomaly...we are not alone. The universe is vast and varrying and the sheer size would lead one to conclude there is other life out there. It has yet to be proven but one can safely bet there is life on other planets.
The bible implies it.
From the man who told me I don't know how God is doing, how do you know he simultaneously experiences everything at once?
You know nothing but what another flawed man told you who in turn heard it from yet another flawed human. so on and so one...again, remember the game operator?
Simply put, what I speak of knowing, does not originate with me, but with he who IS knowing. Therefore it is truth, not based on my merits, but his.
LOL. So if I start a group called the "Seer's of Light" or the "Brothers of Adam" then I can claim my people existed during creation or were around during the time of Adam? It's nonsense! The founder of your sect picked out the word "witness" from the bible and started a group. Nothing more. You cannot pick out the word witness from the bible and claim you predate anyone.
1 So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Who are those people witnesses of? JEHOVAH, GOD!!! Therefore, that will make them, Jehovah's witnesses! By the way, even Jesus Christ said he was a Jehovah's witness! (Jn 17:6) The bible even calls him, the FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS! Jesus is the truest Jehovah's witness in existence. And Jesus was around before any planet, galaxy, or star you can name.
Ahh I see. So you believe homosexuality in people is a sin yet animals incapable of sin manifesting homosexuality is to be ignored. How convenient!
I don't know why there is homosexuality in some animals. I don't pretend to touch subjects I'm clueless about. Only thing I will say is Jehovah knows. And though that does not work for you, suits me just fine. Simple for this reason. Animals cannot read. Jehovah sent his son to recover what Adam lost for humanity, not homosexual animals.