But you don't know/understand his system. How do you know it was the players? In fact an argument can be made that the ability of these players is not only there, but really has no bearing on the scheme as its implemented.The fact that I think it is the PLAYERS is why I am defending Mike D'Antoni, because I think that the players, not the coach, affect the game much more. Are there good and bad coaches? Of course there are. I am not saying D'Antoni is a defensive genius. Nor am I saying he is perfect, I was yelling that in a crucial spot, with STAT and Amare and Billups, an inbounds play was called for BILL WALKER yesterday. But at the end of the day, MDA isn't missing layups. MDA isn't refusing to boxout. MDA doesn't miss free throws. MDA doesn't let his guy blow right by him. MDA doesn't let LeBron get to the rack (only to be saved by Amare collapsing on defense). And I firmly, and will always firmly, believe that coaches are more similar than they are different.
This shows me you don't understand the role of the coach or what his ratings are based on. The stats themselves reflect the coaches ability to adapt withe roster he has. Before some were arguing that he could've won if it not been for bad luck in PHX. So he had the pieces
& what happened? He lost. But it wasn't due to lack of defense right? Well they were near the top in offense so where were they weak? O yeah in luck...smh
No, I was saying MDA's stats don't show an improvement. And we lead the league no only in blocks because we have a swiss cheese lay-up line, but we also lead in points scored against in the paint. Only someone who understands defensive concept will know why this is.u say the stats show we aren't improving:
We are better this year in defensive rating.
Amare is blocking a ton of shots.
And this whole board today is blowing up about the good defense we played.
Btw really I'm not complaining just stating the obvious. MDA defense is avg at best and as you say, a player can make more of a difference than the coach WHEN IT COMES TO DANTONI. That's not saying much.
PLEASE stop it. This whole thing is based on an improved defense INEPENDENT of coach D'Antoni. And trust he will never get credit when 2 maxs decide to run the defense. His credit would of been due when the time to make players better defensively was apprent. He failed. Because he's mediocre and middle of the road. Just logic. Not rocket science.You want to sit here and talk about MDA's limits as a coach, bash his limitations, but what about our limitations as a squad? You consistently refuse to ignore those. Fact is, you can't draw blood from a stone. Amare didn't play good defense with Alvin Gentry, he is playing better this season on defense than I have ever seen him. We don't have a true center, at all. To start the year our centers were Mozgov and Turiaf, now they are Turiaf and nobody, basically. Carmelo's most recent coach bashed him for not having effort on defense, he played genuinely poor defense, even when Karl tried to preach it consistently. This tells me it is more the players.
Wow, ialready formed my opinion. Hubie echoed those sentiments. Don't hate.Hubie Brown doesn't have an agenda; but he has a point of view. He is a coach, he came up as a coach, made his $ and his name as a coach. He isn't going to think coaching is as irrelevant as I do, and likely finds it more important than almost anyone on earth. So no, his comments do not surprise me in the least.
You take everything said against MDA seriously, but then you accept that Billups had to spin his comments in a certain way, that JJ said things in a certain way for ulterior motives. It is YOU, Red, consistently spinning and being clearly and obviously biased, taking information that helps your argument at face value, and ignoring or recasting information that goes against it.
REPEAT AFTER ME...
You have even contradicted yourself:
You criticized, earlier in the year, MDA for not being able to adapt.
Now you are saying that he can adapt, but he shouldn't get credit b/c that is the player's doing?
You criticized, earlier in the year, MDA for not coaching up defense.
But when we play good defense, it is the players. (My argument that you, by the way SLAMMED, from the beginning.)
REGARDLESS OF PLAYERS A-Z Skill level, independent of circumstance, a coach can be evaluated on many things, especially with a large body of work.
Why not just hire anyone, sh*t why not just go with no coach, its the players? The truth is the teams perfomance is a reflection of the coach. His strategy, approach, handling of personalites, priorities etc... are you aware of how to evaluate? Not if you like him. Evaluate his coaching? Can you do this regardless of the roster? Don't think so.
There is no contridiction. Billups knows more defense than an overpaid coach. And these players can perform and overcme the limitations of this coach. I'm cool with that, but the ability and strategy are what they are.
When have you heard of mda being a good defensive coach? When have you heard of mda making players bettr defensively? Never. But we hear he's not that good at defense all the time. You don't think hundreds of people are on to something?
NO it boils down to when we look at the stats and compare him and his players to others accros the league and throughout history a conclusion of mda not being a good defensive coach is reached. You just can't accept that.
In regards to the technical questions, I can give you answers, but ultimately it boils down to: I blame the players for their shortcomings, you blame the coach. Something I have reiterated countless times on this board. It all stems back to the fact that YOU want to blame the coaches, and I want to blame the players, it is a fundamental disagreement in our ideologies that will never be resolved, informing our opinions and the way we watch things.