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    I dont know

    its time to blame every body

    there were like 20 layups where knicks players just stood there with their hands up as if to say

    I dont wanna get a foul

    our entire front court played like david lee last night

    while I hold Mike D culpable on many fronts
    I hold our leaders melo and stat responsible as well

    with that being said
    we are an incomplete team to say the least

    games like this where no bodies are dunking in our faces show that we need a legit lane clogging big man ala dampier, kaman, camby, etc.

    we get drawn into the paint by other teams big men, leaving wide open threes all day long, and as much as you want to blame the coach, our roster just isnt built to play team defense its just not

    we have no 2 guard who can literally lock up another teams shooter, we have no depth at the pg offensively or defensively despite douglas's recent shooting streak , the other team doesnt fear him because they billups is out so carter is now the back up etc etc etc

    we have no depth at PF or C having to play s williams at PF and defend power forwards. and we literally

    DO NOT HAVE A CENTER

    and I dont mean like do we or do we not

    WE DO NOT HAVE A CENTER



    let me repeat that so every one understands the big reason why we suck on defense right now and pretty much all season


    WE DO NOT HAVE A CENTER

    lol


    so it really comes down to what it is

    we are rebuilding we are plugging holes

    the idea was to get two stars

    GOT EM

    the idea was to get a servicable big man

    DONT GOT EM

    the idea was to get a pg to run the offense

    ehhh GOT EM, but for how long


    lets be patient and just enjoy the fact that our two stars cant be stopped

    and we need fillers who can do the stopping on the other end.

    thats how titles are won.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    WTF?????

    Statement game my ass!

    Giving up 119 against ****ing Cleveland is a joke.

    STAT is such a weak defender...it's not even funny anymore.

    Our whole team defense was bull****!

    Sorry for cursing around here, but I'm pissed!

    Losing all 3 against the worst team in the league....can I get a break?

    If we show up in Chitown with this type of defense we'll get swept by the Bulls.

    Shame on our players they defended like morons!
    I feel your frustration, I feel the exact same way. Losing to the worst team in the NBA 3 times is simply inexcusable. Melo, STAT, MDA & all the rest of these guys came in talking about how this team took the last loss personal & how they hold grudges, well after this loss they better take a long look at themselves in the mirror & figure out if they're really being accountable for themselves with their performance, because that was just a joke from players & coaches alike. The defense was horrific last night, particularly from the "defensive specialists" we had on the floor to balance out the offense being provided by our 2 main stars. Toney Douglas, Jared Jeffries, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter, Bill Walker, Shawne Williams, all these role players need to step up their game defensively bigtime. Melo & STAT do as well but I give them a little more leeway since they're expending so much energy on the offensive side to get points for this team. If our role players aren't Ding up then MDA needs to find the guys that will. Play Balkman & Derrick Brown if that's what it takes, I don't care how it gets done just get it done, I'm sick of watching this team lose to the Cavs!!!

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    I fear this might end up as the Starbury deal 2.0

    We have 2 superstars now but still hover around .500.......Chicago has 1 superstar and is second in the conference.....New Orleans have 1 superstar and might get home court in the west.

    I think our biggest assets (STAT, Melo) are also our biggest concerns.
    STAT is a joke on defense and Melo's style of play has disturbed our offense.

    I don't know why people keep blaming D'Antoni for everything. It's time to let the players know what they have to do! It's nice that Amar'e is such a beast on offense, but defensively he's among the worst big men in the league.
    If he doesn't realize that defense wins championships he'll never get a ring...

    Mike D'Antoni emphatically told them before the game and during timeouts how important this game is for us and that they need to play defense....and yet they didn't care.

    Our 99 Knicks would wipe the floor with this bunch of players....no commitment on defense..where's the pride Amar'e? Getting abused by Hickson and Samuels.....

    Shawne Williams was terrible too. Wasn't he supposed to be a bad man? Where's his confidence?

    As long as we don't get a coach who isn't afraid to start a conflict with Amar'e for his lack of defense and 2-3 physical guys like DeAndre Jordan or Nene we won't be winning much.

    I think odds are 50-50 at the moment that our whole plan might end up in disaster...just like it did with the Marbury trade.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    I fear this might end up as the Starbury deal 2.0

    We have 2 superstars now but still hover around .500.......Chicago has 1 superstar and is second in the conference.....New Orleans have 1 superstar and might get home court in the west.

    I think our biggest assets (STAT, Melo) are also our biggest concerns.
    STAT is a joke on defense and Melo's style of play has disturbed our offense.

    I don't know why people keep blaming D'Antoni for everything. It's time to let the players know what they have to do! It's nice that Amar'e is such a beast on offense, but defensively he's among the worst big men in the league.
    If he doesn't realize that defense wins championships he'll never get a ring...

    Mike D'Antoni emphatically told them before the game and during timeouts how important this game is for us and that they need to play defense....and yet they didn't care.

    Our 99 Knicks would wipe the floor with this bunch of players....no commitment on defense..where's the pride Amar'e? Getting abused by Hickson and Samuels.....

    Shawne Williams was terrible too. Wasn't he supposed to be a bad man? Where's his confidence?

    As long as we don't get a coach who isn't afraid to start a conflict with Amar'e for his lack of defense and 2-3 physical guys like DeAndre Jordan or Nene we won't be winning much.

    I think odds are 50-50 at the moment that our whole plan might end up in disaster...just like it did with the Marbury trade.
    Flip Flopping mother ****er. One game, BRILLIANT MOVE, next game its starbury 2.0. Get a fn grip. No Billups, chemistry still way off. Was it bad yea, but for you to start comparing us having melo n stat to starbury, well dude you need to GTFO.

    Call me a new comer. Call me a bandwagon fan. But your post was a disgrace and you shouldnt call yourself a Knicks fan.

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    Originally Posted by Tokie420
    Flip Flopping mother ****er. One game, BRILLIANT MOVE, next game its starbury 2.0. Get a fn grip. No Billups, chemistry still way off. Was it bad yea, but for you to start comparing us having melo n stat to starbury, well dude you need to GTFO.

    Call me a new comer. Call me a bandwagon fan. But your post was a disgrace and you shouldnt call yourself a Knicks fan.
    Chill dude. No need to insult people. I'll ignore the 'm'****er' comment.
    Rule 1 is: Don't insult people over the internet. Next time I'm in NY I'll let you know and you can say those things to my face ok buddy?

    Second thing is: I never said it was a brilliant move. I said that Billups is a great player and Melo will improve our team. I stick with that, we are better than we were before, but before the trade expactacions were to make the playoffs and try to put up a good series.

    Now the goal is to win a championship as soon as possible. Get to the second round at least this year.

    I'm a big Knick fan for over a decade, so if you don't mind partner I'll criticise the players here and then when I feel they didn't give their all...

    No need to start drama within the fanbase. Aren't we supposed to support the same team? Just chill out and we'll forget about it.

    Would be appropriate though for you to excuse yourself for that 'm'****er' comment. Things like that are completely out of place on a fan forum.

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    @DontForgetDerekHarper...strong post, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. It's true, the Knicks lack a center. That was the case before the trade though, Mozgov was only averaging 4 & 3 on the offensive side of the ball & was also a disaster on under the basket on defense. Fields may not be a lockdown defender, but he brings solid defense to the 2G position. If only we kept Brewer; he's a player who could have, & would have, helped us defend in more ways than one. Good post though Harper, & it's true, Amare & Melo are great offensive players but they deserve some blame as well. These guys are the two leaders of NY. They must start to lead by example. If their offensive production drops here & there, because their playing with heart & hustle on defense; then so be it. Just like KG, Pierce & Allen all left some offensive production on the back burner, for the better of the team when going to Boston; Amare & Melo will have to do the same inorder to bring defense back to New York. Time to focus on D'.

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    I don't know why people are worrying or panicking.The Knicks just got beat by a team that is much better than them.If it wasn't for their horrendous losing streak, the Cavs would be competing for the 6th seed with the Knicks and Sixers.You have to tip your cap to Byron Scott.He is perhaps the best coach in the NBA and is doing an excellent job leading the Cavs out of the gutter.

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    I have a strange feeling like Zeke is coming back to the organization. All the decisions that have been made lately look a bit incomprehensible. We kept injured Azu for 16 months and we waived him off when it seems he'll be ready to play very soon. We bought out Brewer, a solid defensive player, but we signed Brown who was absolutely unknown to the fans until he was traded. And last but not least, we signed Jeffries but we let Barron sign with the Bucks.
    I hope this all is just what rebuilding takes and we'll back on track, I would never forgive Dolan if he rehires Thomas.

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    Walsh gave Dantoni Darko, Turiaf, Randolph, Mozgov, and hardly any of them play. MD wants Stat to be his C. Face it.

    His bball philosophy has no room for a defensive-minded big to clog the lane. Sure, 70 years of nba history may dictate otherwise... But what do they know. Our coach is ahead of the curve.

    If only we scored on every possession, the world would witness that SSOL is superior!

    People, why did the Mavs pick up Brewer? To guard Kobe and Durant. CB is one of the better 1-on-1 defensive players in the league against SG/SF. The moment he arrived, he should have started at SG and been our def. stopper.

    Coach is the guy who plays Fields 40 minutes a night. Coach is the guy who told Walsh to bring back Jeffries, and not sign a real Center.

    Sure, I blame our players. Carmelo especially. But Melo aint going anywhere. Players are a big problem, but shouldn't the coach demand more? Would Van Gundy accept this?

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    Guys lets calm down here.

    A loss to a playoff team is worse than a loss to a non-playoff team. You're supposed to bring your best against the best.

    Every good team loses to a bad team every now and then.

    Heat lost to the Clippers
    Lakers lost to the Cavs
    Lakers lost to the Kings
    Spurs lost to the Clippers
    Bulls lost to the Raptors
    etc..

    Upsets happen,lets put this one behind us and focus on beating the Hawks.

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    Sure. Good teams lose to bad teams. But they never go 0-3 against bad teams.

    Coach failed again to get us a basket following a timeout. Heck, he cannot even get us an open look. Put Melo on the blocks! Don't give it to him at top of the key.

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    You guys know that these guys are only motivated when they face a playoff team, watch them beat Atlanta

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    Originally Posted by knicksin60
    I don't know why people are worrying or panicking.The Knicks just got beat by a team that is much better than them.If it wasn't for their horrendous losing streak, the Cavs would be competing for the 6th seed with the Knicks and Sixers.You have to tip your cap to Byron Scott.He is perhaps the best coach in the NBA and is doing an excellent job leading the Cavs out of the gutter.

    with your ssessment of Scott. This guy is a great coach. Wish he were with the Knicks.

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    Guys lets calm down here.

    A loss to a playoff team is worse than a loss to a non-playoff team. You're supposed to bring your best against the best.

    Every good team loses to a bad team every now and then.

    Heat lost to the Clippers
    Lakers lost to the Cavs
    Lakers lost to the Kings
    Spurs lost to the Clippers
    Bulls lost to the Raptors
    etc..

    Upsets happen,lets put this one behind us and focus on beating the Hawks.
    Its not an upset when a team beats you three straight. No matter what the record is. They own us right now.

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    How can anyone say Antoni want Amare to be "his center", when D'Antoni has played Amare @ the PF position since day one of Amare's NBA career. & when did MDH play Amare @ the C position by choice? Last I checked, Turi got hurt & we had no other options other than a project guy from Russia. Give D'Antoni a true BIG such as Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan or Dalembert & watch out entire defense improve. Not his fault he has career backups @ C & nothing special behind Amare.

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