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    Default What a defensive coach can do for you

    Hey guys,

    I was curious to see how much of a difference a coach can make on the defensive end. I think a large debate going on these boards is player hustle v. coach. I maintain, and will say this up front, that both are important.

    However, I do distinguish between team defense and individual efforts on defense. I don't think our teams problem is with the latter. I truly believe that our team wants to play defense. I think they hustle and show great energy.

    I think that you can see this in certain games. Look at Miami and New Orleans. Miami is particularly telling in my opinion. Miami is a one on one offensive team. They don't move the ball much and in many situations count on one of their big three to create plays. When this happens, our guys only have to play their man. They don't have to worry about switches or rotations. Their hustle won them those games.

    However, when they play a team like Cleveland that absolutely relies on passing the ball, cuts, curls and pick and rolls, the Knicks get confused. They show an utter lack of defensive IQ, lose their assignments, and don't know where to rotate.

    Side note: they also have no zone defense.

    "A coach's job is to make them understand assignments [and] holding them accountable." -- Hubie Brown.

    I don't think D'Antoni does any of the above. They are a relatively new team, but even before the trade, they were still showing some of the boneheaded moves they make on defense.

    I have amassed some stats, which I think shows how, either a new attitude on defense by D'Antoni, or a new defensive minded coach can help us greatly (whether an assistant or head coach). Please find them below.

    They use the Points Allowed Per 100 possessions for each individual player, and I think the stats are eye-opening. Now, you will see some stats where Amar'e's career defensive rating in this category is better than some of the guards -- please remember he plays a different position and that his defensive rating in this category should be lower. It is much more helpful to compare him to other centers/forwards.

    First and Foremost, we start with the Bulls.
    As you will notice, each player's stats below on the defensive end become better (including players who were already considered to be better defensive players). Pay particular attention to Carlos Boozer's, Derrick Rose's and Ronnie Brewer's. You will notice that under Tommy their points allowed per 100 possessions dropped significantly this year.

    The main purpose of this is to show how both good and poor defensive players stats can be bettered with set defensive schemes and coach emphasized defense.

    Now, their offense still sucks, but their defense has made them a top three team in the East and potential Championship contenders.

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    1) 2009-10:109
    2) 2010-11: 102 (Tommy)
    3) Career: 109

    Boozer
    1) 2009-10: 102
    2) 2010-11: 99 (Tommy)
    3) Career: 103

    Ronnie Brewer
    1) 2009-10: 108
    2) 2010-11: 98
    3) Career: 105

    Keith Bogans
    1) 2009-2010: 106
    2) 2010-2011: 103
    3) Career: 107

    Deng
    1) 2009-10: 106
    2) 2010-11: 102 (Tommy)
    3) Career: 104

    Noah
    1) 2009-10: 101
    2) 2010-11: 96 (Tommy)
    3) Career: 102


    Next, we look at our New New York Knicks
    Our players are not as good on the defensive end. Hell Amar'e stats were
    even worse than Boozer's. But, the point here is two fold: (1) To show D'Antoni's offense has made our players worse on the defensive end; (2) To show that our players are not that far off from others.

    You will notice that since the "new" Knicks came over, (though the games played are not a large enough statistical sample and that they still need time to jive together), that the numbers decreased significantly. Both by three points.

    But, if you look at Chauncey and Derrick Rose, Billups' defensive stats were actually better career wise. You should also compare his stats while in Denver to Derrick Rose's stats last year (with Thib): Billups was a better defender.

    Additinonally, Melo's stats are very similar to Brewer and Bogans (who both have showed significant improvement this year under a defensive minded coach).

    Amar'e for his position is below average, but if Boozer can go under 100, then I would imagine so can Amar'e.

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line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Carmelo Anthony
    1) 2009-10: 109
    2) 2010-11 (Denver): 108
    3) 2010-11 (Knicks): 111
    4) Career: 107

    Chauncey Billups
    1) 2009-10: 110
    2) 2010-11 (Denver): 108
    3) 2010-11 (Knicks): 111
    4) Career: 107

    Amar’e Stoudemire
    1) 2009-2010: 109
    2) 2010-2011: 107
    3) Career: 105

    Lastly, we are not the Bulls, but there is a team that runs a faster paced offense, who also has great defense, in the San Antonio Spurs.


    I I believe we should very much strive to be like this team. You will notice that this year, despite their pace being quicker (2010-11: Pace: 92.5 (13th of 30) vs. 2009-10 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]: 91.7 (20th of 30)) they are putting up better defensive and offensive numbers.


    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]: 110.0 (9th of 30) ▪ [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]: 104.5 (8th of 30)
    2010-2011: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]: 111.6 (2nd of 30) ▪ [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]: 103.9 (7th of 30)


    And the same can be said of their individual numbers:

    Tim Duncan 1) 2009-2010: 101
    2) 2010-211: 99 (Faster pace, better defense than year before)
    3) Career: 95

    Tony Parker
    1) 2009-2010: 108
    2) 2010-2011: 106 (Faster pace, better defense than year before)
    3) Career: 104

    Manu Ginobli (much better defender than I realized
    1) 2009-2010: 104
    2) 2010-2011: 103 (Faster pace, better defense than year before)
    3) Career: 99




    The point of this is to show that we don't need Tommy Bull's numbers to win. Quite simply if we just enact some great defensive strategies (that everyone is on board with and knows how go about), we can become one of the best teams in the NBA.



    C Coaching does matter, however. We need to slow down our pace, and concentrate more on defense if we are ever truly going to become elite. Our players can learn. They have shown hustle and energy and there are glimpse there.



    But as Hubie said -- the coach has to give them a strategy and hold them accountable.
    Last edited by MusketeerX; Mar 07, 2011 at 02:21.

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