Would have been nice to go 7-3 since the trade, but we're 6-4 & playing .600 baskebtall since the Melo addition. Thats pretty good considering the teams & road games we've played.
Billups has been out for some time now, he's expected to be back with us come the home & away Pacers series. Billups & Douglas will make for a solid PG duo, & it's always a good sign getting a proven veteran leader back with the team. I'm glad we competed without him.
We just got dominated on the road against a great Mavs team without Billups; it's not the end of the world.
Playing 7 games during a 10 day stretch is never an easy task.
We still have plenty of practices & 17-18 games to improve & gel as a team before heading into the playoffs. You cant play team defense, until you gel & learn to play with eachother as a team. We only seen a sneak preview of this Knicks team of 2011. The best has yet to come.
Bring on Indy. I've hated that franchise since Miller of the 90's. Lets sweep & make it 5 W's during our last 6 games.
As I posted in another thread, we are not going to shoot like we did against the Jazz and Grizzlies on a nightly basis. We need defense to anchor us through difficult games. Just didn't have it tonight. That's the NBA. I'm look forward to the next game against Indiana...
Even if we don't have Amar'e... what a BS technical! They better rescind that.
Our players were tired and it just wasn't a night where they gave 100% after the big win in Memphis. Can happen, not the end of the world, especially against a very good team on the road. The Mavericks bench is fearsome, they can sub in 5-6 quality guys who can all score - very hard to defend them. They hit a lot of their shots and our defense wasn't up for it last night. Let's forget about this game and hope we can bounce back.
What worries me more is that those Lakers bottled it again vs Miami. Now the Heat will go on a run and win a lot of their remaining games. Defeat last night would have been the nail in the coffin - now their confidence will be at it's peak and they will regard themselves as the greatest team ever again. Thank you Lakers
Last edited by Sprewell-Houston; Mar 11, 2011 at 05:29.
Hold on. I realise that last night the defensive display was -at least- tragic, however let's not forget where we are defensively compared to the pre-trade era. The Knicks have shown significant signs of improvement in most games (Cleveland and Mavs games excluded) and are -generally- improving as time goes by. Beating Atlanta, New Orleans, and Memphis relatively easily (though Tiredness became evident towards the end of the Memphis game) is no easy accomplishment. By the time the team faced the Mavs they were dead. They managed to maintain their offensive flow (mainly second half) but were very lucid at the back. Still made the game last 4 quarters and that's all you can ask for.
That's what depth of size can do for you.
I hope Donnie realizes his job is not done. He has to go just as hard to fill the roster with quality bigs if he's here going forward.
Dal and the like, even the Heat whom the media claims have no size can trot out at least 3 bigs. Its a necessity. We have to continue to force MDA to adapt by adding more bigs.
Having 5,6,7 "medium 6'8 - 6'10" guys won't get it done. I can't remember a contender without a servicable 7 footer...
The Pistons maybe OKC? And Rasheed is at least 6'11. I can't recall. Lakers, Celtics, last and previous yr Cavs, Spurs, Orl who...?
If I'm not mistaken, every contending team had at the least a servicable 7 footer, not to mention depth in the form of 6'11"+ big bodies.
Am I correct?
Well, we're so glad you're content. Unfortunately, some fool like me actually spent 100 bucks to go watch this nonsense. If it weren't for Mike D'antoni, Jared Jeffries would be going back to school to earn his MBA b/c he wouldn't have a job in the NBA. The dude is the real agent zero. It's almost as if the Knicks play 4 on 5 when he's on the court.
Shawne Williams was so lost on defense, he made Marion appear as if he was D-Wade.
I paid money to see Carmelo Anthony... but he never arrived at the arena.
No heart. NO energy. NO passing. No communication. NO boxing out. NO hustle. NO sweating. NO yelling. NO urgency. I watched us score 5 baskets in the 1st quarter.
Basically, I dropped 100 bucks just to watch the shoot around and a few player attempt free throws.
lol but keep in mind we all pay to see the Knicks play. If it weren't for sports I could care less about cable TV & if it weren't for the Knicks I wouldn't spend money on the NBA league pass. If I would have known the Knicks would lose last night, I would have ate what was here instead of getting pumped up & spening 25 on pizza, bread sticks, pepsi & a tip right before gametime.
You weren't the only one who paid to see your team lose :-) on a more serious not... The Knicks just werent focused during the 1st half, 7 games in 10 nights took it's toll on the team.
Defense win Championships and Mike D'antoni doesn't teach defense, get what i'm saying? We will never win a championship with Mike D'antoni as a coach. As Mafra said on another thread, If D'antoni were the coach of Philly they would be 10-50
"If D'Antoni were the coach of the 76ers" lol... How did D'Antoni do with PHX? Had his team competing every year against elite teams. Check his winning % with the Suns. Outstanding.
"If D'Antoni were with the 76ers" lol & if Phil Jackson never had MJ & Pippen or Shaq & Kobe guess what? He never wins a championship.
I witnessed this firsthand. This team had ZERO energy to start the game.
1) We were playing on national TV.
2) We went 1-2 on our last "road trip."
3) PHI is on our heels.
4) Obviously we would be tired after game in MEM
Coach needed to have this team fired up and ready to play. HEY, if we can out sprinting and then ran out of gas... I could live with that. If we were playng hired, but were a step slow and didn't have enough pep in our step to get up for those jumpers... I'm cool. BUT, to come out sluggish and going through the motions? This is unacceptable! This is on coach.
We were playing DAL, in DAL, a good team who just lost. They were going to coe out swinging. We were on national tv for the world to see. We have off until SUN.
YOU GET YOUR TEAM UP! COME UP FIRED UP. Tell team the country is watching, that DAL wants to run you out of Texas. EMPTY THE TANK b/c you can collapse and sleep in the plant ride home... Rest Fri & Sat.
Ultimately, it's always on the players. BUt you can't fire the players. If they wont respond to the coach... and if his system does't fit... then what should we do?
Come on guys give our team a break. We were coming off an emotional last second win in Memphis. Dallas is very very hard to play, especially with Amar'e at center. Dallas were up for it after bottling it the other night in New Orleans. Defeats like that can happen. No big deal, at least we didn't give up, were within 10 when the fourth quarter started and Toney Douglas had another good game. It's just a defeat on a day when we had no energy, get over it.
The Pacers games are way way more important. The CLeveland losses were way way more important, because we lost against a **** team...3 times in a row. Dallas is the third best team in the NBA record wise, no big deal losing on the road.
I'm sure our bad defense was a product of our fatigue, playing so many games after the Denver trade. I don't think (and hope) we're back to square one on defense. I think it was just a slip up.
If not then D'Antoni will be gone in the summer anyway.
Granted a few of those rebounds were just bad luck... long rebounds that just found MAVS' players... STILL...
Marion-Haywood-Brewer just out-worked NY. They wanted it more.
STAT used his spirirt to will the Knicks in the 2nd half. Not sure where the rest of the team was though. Carmelo never showed up. Williams gave nothing on defense. Walker was a ghost again.
Turiaf-Jeffries-Walker-Williams combined for 6 rebounds in 68 minutes. These 4 players should never have an off night when it comes to hustle. These are borderline players who shuold be battling for their careers. They should faint from exhaustion before they play with a lack of effort.
I can understand that you're angry, you payed 100 bucks and saw a weak Knick team. I think I would have been disappointed too. But you know these things happen. Sometimes it's not your day. Yes Melo had an average day and so had some others, but let's not act like the Miami Heat now. Our team is pretty good, I like Jeffries contribution so far. Toney Douglas has been great as a starter, Melo and STAT are the best offensive duo in the league. A multiple All Star will return pretty soon to help us at the PG spot, Shawne Williams is one of the best 3 pt shooters this season...Turiaf brings toughness and shot blocking every night. We're 6-4 since the trade.
Let's not forget that. Yes we didn't play well in Dallas, our defence was disgusting and I can fully understand you, but let's not make things more dramatic than they are.
I like our team much more than before the trade. And we had 2-3 fantastic defensive performances since then. Beating Miami on their home court, blowing out the Hornets at MSG and bitch-slapping the Hawks in Atlanta.
We are improving defensively, things like the Dallas game can happen. We're not there yet, but we're good and things are way more positive than one semi blowout suggests.
Since the trade, we're allowing about 105 a game. This is basically the worst in the NBA. In our 4 losses, we're allowing 119 a game. YIKES.
What I see, when our jumpers aren't falling we bring that offensive futility with us to the other end of the floor. Vice-versa works too, b/c when we're clicking on all cylinders and hitting shots... We seem to carry the energy over to the defenside side of tha ball as well.
The 105 is skewed slightly b/c of a late 4th quarter run, and some meaningless points vs our scrubs... But that 119 is alarming. That 14 point disparity can be directly attributed to a few letdowns... blown assignments... as we're clearly still focused on a poor offensive possesion or something.
In 3 of those 4 losses, the lack of effort was simply the refusal to go after defensive rebounds, as CLE (2x) and DAL just owned us for 21, 16 & 17 of them. ORL just put together a great 4th quarter to beat us.
I understand this wont be a major problem in the playoffs. We're have rest and we'll bring the energy every game. This is not a fatal flaw to this team or anything. I get that.
BUt, also, let's remember that team defense is like muscle memory, and TRUST ME... CHI OR MIA will be formidable foes. CHI will give us fits on the glass, in the paint, and they will make offensive tough for us. MIA will be nearly impossible to stop.
I just can't fathom any scenario where our BIG FOWARDS, like Jeffries, Turiaf, Williams... toss in Walker... How can they grab only 6 rebounds in almost 70 combined minutes? Walker-Williams can leave the offense to STAT-MELO... hit your 3s and CRASH THE DARN BOARDS. Jeffries needs to avg 9-11 rebounds a game to justify playing him 20+ minutes.