After seeing this new team live, it is incredibly obvious ... WE need A new Coach.

knicksman20

Benchwarmer
Some good points in this thread. JVG is not the coach we need. Like what was said, he burned bridges & don't forget, he QUIT on the Knicks. I don't what a quitter coaching this team. Also, he had Steve Francis, Yao Ming & T-Mac & still couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs guys.

I like Jerry Sloan as a coach. He's old school & commands respect as a coach. He knows how to run the pick & roll & can TEACH team defense. He also holds players accountable when they aren't performing as they should. And if it weren't for a player that wore 23, he might've won a championship or two in his teams Western Conference Finals appearances.
 

nuckles2k2

Superstar
Cant argue any of the other points being that I eithe agree or I have not seen them play live to dispute, but how is players stepping out of the way on defense Mike Dantoni's fault?

Do you think that is what he is telling them to do? I have seen Mike D (again from games I have watched on TV) get after players on blown assignments

Look this loss really really sucks, but we will win a couple in a row and all will be forgotten.

Lets relax a little, we are far from a complete product, so this is what you are gonna get from time to time!

A player steps out of the way once in the first Q and you can blame it on a brain fart, lackluster effort, blown assignment, etc. If said player (or the team in general) is still stepping out of the way on drives to the rim late in the 3rd Q and early in the 4th Q, that's a testament to the lack of "coaching" going on.

I remember a Spurs game a few weeks ago where coach Pops was all up in Duncan's face in the first Q for his mistakes and Jefferson was in the background with a ":shock2:" look on his face....Duncan had one of his best games this season after that. I don't recall D'Antoni ever getting on STAT the way he does on Douglas or Walker.

When Phil Jackson comes out in the media and says that Kobe needs to take less shots, more shots, etc. Pau needs to step up, when Pops says that his guys played like dogs, everyone sees it and then sees the results...and then when STAT has a triple double with 10 turnovers and D'Antoni has nothing to say it's ":shrug: we're gelling." Excuse me but **** that. The Celtics gelled their way to a title; and when Pau got to the Lakers in 2008 they gelled straight to the Finals and lost to another "gelling" team. We got STAT & Melo and we look straight lost on both sides of the ball at times.

No.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Dantoni or Damnphony has been coaching this way in MSG since the start of the 2008-9 season. This is why every season I keep believing he will be Fired at the end of the season.

When the 3-balls are hitting Damnphony gets a win, when the 3-balls are missing Dantoni gets a loss.
Nothing improve on Dantoni's coaching method in the past 3 seasons...
 
Cant argue any of the other points being that I eithe agree or I have not seen them play live to dispute, but how is players stepping out of the way on defense Mike Dantoni's fault?

BECAUSE MIKE DANTONI DOESNT emphasize that we cant win unless they stop.

I am sorry but defense is established by the mind set of the coach, to hold his players accountable at all costs regardless of there status as a star or bench warmer, these are terrible habits developed over years of practicing a system that thinks about flinging the ball up the court for an easy basket, before thinking about staying in front of your man. Its basketball at its worst and starts with the coach who either allows it or establishes it.

Do you think that is what he is telling them to do? I have seen Mike D (again from games I have watched on TV) get after players on blown assignments

Look this loss really really sucks, but we will win a couple in a row and all will be forgotten.

Lets relax a little, we are far from a complete product, so this is what you are gonna get from time to time!


the suns were a complete product



and they couldnt get to the finals because they didddddntttt defend.
 
players stepping out of the way on defense Mike Dantoni's fault?

BECAUSE MIKE DANTONI DOESNT emphasize that we cant win unless they stop.

I am sorry but defense is established by the mind set of the coach, to hold his players accountable at all costs regardless of there status as a star or bench warmer, these are terrible habits developed over years of practicing a system that thinks about flinging the ball up the court for an easy basket, before thinking about staying in front of your man. Its basketball at its worst and starts with the coach who either allows it or establishes it.
 
and how do you play half court with out a center.

you dont need a low post presence center to run a half court offense

the bulls had similar low post options in jordan and pippen to amare and melo

not saying melo and amare are jordan and pippen, just in terms of there games both can post up well for not being 7 footers.

the bulls ran the triangle offense with will purdue, bill wennington, cartwright and luc longley and won titles.

whyyyy because they playeeeedddd defense.

how were the the sonics able to go to the finals because they played defense and shawn kemp was no different than amare stoudemire in his prime in terms of his style of play, they didnt have a legit center on that team either. they had sam perkins who would shoot threes all day.
 

skisloper

Starter
Some good points in this thread. JVG is not the coach we need. Like what was said, he burned bridges & don't forget, he QUIT on the Knicks. I don't what a quitter coaching this team. Also, he had Steve Francis, Yao Ming & T-Mac & still couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs guys.

I like Jerry Sloan as a coach. He's old school & commands respect as a coach. He knows how to run the pick & roll & can TEACH team defense. He also holds players accountable when they aren't performing as they should. And if it weren't for a player that wore 23, he might've won a championship or two in his teams Western Conference Finals appearances.

Dude is too old....he will not get the respect he did in Utah....
Lets just let Ewing do it and roll the dice....
Oakley as the defensive coach
and some * year old kid who can explain to the Knick Players how they should give their all every night /.
 
Some good points in this thread. JVG is not the coach we need. Like what was said, he burned bridges & don't forget, he QUIT on the Knicks. I don't what a quitter coaching this team. Also, he had Steve Francis, Yao Ming & T-Mac & still couldn't get out of the first round of the playoffs guys.

I like Jerry Sloan as a coach. He's old school & commands respect as a coach. He knows how to run the pick & roll & can TEACH team defense. He also holds players accountable when they aren't performing as they should. And if it weren't for a player that wore 23, he might've won a championship or two in his teams Western Conference Finals appearances.
Tmac and Yao Ming were always injured and JVG still got them a great record, i dnt think Yao Ming and Tmac ever played together in the playoffs because when one of them wasn't injured the other one was.
 
Dantoni or Damnphony has been coaching this way in MSG since the start of the 2008-9 season. This is why every season I keep believing he will be Fired at the end of the season.

When the 3-balls are hitting Damnphony gets a win, when the 3-balls are missing Dantoni gets a loss.
Nothing improve on Dantoni's coaching method in the past 3 seasons...


Hope to hell your right on this one Kiy:beer:
 

knicksman20

Benchwarmer
Dude is too old....he will not get the respect he did in Utah....
Lets just let Ewing do it and roll the dice....
Oakley as the defensive coach
and some * year old kid who can explain to the Knick Players how they should give their all every night /.

This team has a short window as far as 2 prime stars at the top of their game. We don't have time to gamble on a rookie coach to get things right. We need a proven coach that teaches a balance of offense & defense & can hold players accountable when the effort isn't there.
 

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru
the three best coaches out there are

van gundy...burned some bridges
brown.. not possible
sloan....not sure


after next season.. adelman maybe

we mussed up..passing on tom tibs...

Really? Those our your choices?
Ok, let's break down your choices:

Van Gundy

Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1995-96 34 NBA NYK 23 13 10 .565 1.5 2 8 4 4 .500
1996-97 35 NBA NYK 82 57 25 .695 16.0 2 10 6 4 .600
1997-98 36 NBA NYK 82 43 39 .524 2.0 2 10 4 6 .400
1998-99 37 NBA NYK 50 27 23 .540 2.0 4 20 12 8 .600 EC Champions
1999-00 38 NBA NYK 82 50 32 .610 9.0 2 16 9 7 .563
2000-01 39 NBA NYK 82 48 34 .585 7.0 3 5 2 3 .400
2001-02 40 NBA NYK 19 10 9 .526 0.5 7
2003-04 42 NBA HOU 82 45 37 .549 4.0 5 5 1 4 .200
2004-05 43 NBA HOU 82 51 31 .622 10.0 3 7 3 4 .429
2005-06 44 NBA HOU 82 34 48 .415 -7.0 5
2006-07 45 NBA HOU 82 52 30 .634 11.0 3 7 3 4 .429
Career NBA 748 430 318 .575 56.0 88 44 44 .500

Career .500 in the playoffs with 1 yes 1 conference playoff under his belt and Houston team finished #1 once and was bounced first round.

Sloan:
Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1979-80 37 NBA CHI 82 30 52 .366 -11.0 4
1980-81 38 NBA CHI 82 45 37 .549 4.0 2 6 2 4 .333
1981-82 39 NBA CHI 51 19 32 .373 -6.5 5
1988-89 46 NBA UTA 65 40 25 .615 7.5 1 3 0 3 .000
1989-90 47 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 5 2 3 .400
1990-91 48 NBA UTA 82 54 28 .659 13.0 2 9 4 5 .444
1991-92 49 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 1 16 9 7 .563
1992-93 50 NBA UTA 82 47 35 .573 6.0 3 5 2 3 .400
1993-94 51 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 3 16 8 8 .500
1994-95 52 NBA UTA 82 60 22 .732 19.0 2 5 2 3 .400
1995-96 53 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 18 10 8 .556
1996-97 54 NBA UTA 82 64 18 .780 23.0 1 20 13 7 .650 WC Champions
1997-98 55 NBA UTA 82 62 20 .756 21.0 1 20 13 7 .650 WC Champions
1998-99 56 NBA UTA 50 37 13 .740 12.0 2 11 5 6 .455
1999-00 57 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 1 10 4 6 .400
2000-01 58 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 2 5 2 3 .400
2001-02 59 NBA UTA 82 44 38 .537 3.0 4 4 1 3 .250
2002-03 60 NBA UTA 82 47 35 .573 6.0 4 5 1 4 .200
2003-04 61 NBA UTA 82 42 40 .512 1.0 7
2004-05 62 NBA UTA 82 26 56 .317 -15.0 5
2005-06 63 NBA UTA 82 41 41 .500 0.0 2
2006-07 64 NBA UTA 82 51 31 .622 10.0 1 17 9 8 .529
2007-08 65 NBA UTA 82 54 28 .659 13.0 1 12 6 6 .500
2008-09 66 NBA UTA 82 48 34 .585 7.0 3 5 1 4 .200
2009-10 67 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 2 10 4 6 .400
2010-11 68 NBA UTA 54 31 23 .574 4.0 4
Career NBA 2024 1221 803 .603 209.0 202 98 104 .485

He has a .485 playoff winning percentage and never won, lost twice!!!! He is also like a 100 years old and is notorious for butting heads with his stars though out the years.

Brown:
I won't even bother since this ENTIRE forum screamed daily to get rid of him when he was here and I can't believe I am seeing his name.I mean people screamed on how you can't win on D alone, you need to score... People chanted for Isiah... UN REAL!!!!!

Mike D:
Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1998-99 47 NBA DEN 50 14 36 .280 -11.0 6
2003-04 52 NBA PHO 61 21 40 .344 -9.5 6
2004-05 53 NBA PHO 82 62 20 .756 21.0 1 15 9 6 .600
2005-06 54 NBA PHO 82 54 28 .659 13.0 1 20 10 10 .500
2006-07 55 NBA PHO 82 61 21 .744 20.0 1 11 6 5 .545
2007-08 56 NBA PHO 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 5 1 4 .200
2008-09 57 NBA NYK 82 32 50 .390 -9.0 5
2009-10 58 NBA NYK 82 29 53 .354 -12.0 3
2010-11 59 NBA NYK 65 34 31 .523 1.5 2
Career NBA 668 362 306 .542 28.0 51 26 25 .510

Career .510 no finals appearances. He has a better win % than both VanGundy and Sloan. 4 full years in Phoenix 4 playoff appearances. While his record is still a work in progress, my point is he is just as capable as any other coach and with the right team, has just as much as a chance as almost any other coach in the league.
 
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This team has a short window as far as 2 prime stars at the top of their game. We don't have time to gamble on a rookie coach to get things right. We need a proven coach that teaches a balance of offense & defense & can hold players accountable when the effort isn't there.
Doc rivers? Bill laimbeer?
 

MusketeerX

Rotation player
Really? Those our your choices?
Ok, let's break down your choices:

Van Gundy

Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1995-96 34 NBA NYK 23 13 10 .565 1.5 2 8 4 4 .500
1996-97 35 NBA NYK 82 57 25 .695 16.0 2 10 6 4 .600
1997-98 36 NBA NYK 82 43 39 .524 2.0 2 10 4 6 .400
1998-99 37 NBA NYK 50 27 23 .540 2.0 4 20 12 8 .600 EC Champions
1999-00 38 NBA NYK 82 50 32 .610 9.0 2 16 9 7 .563
2000-01 39 NBA NYK 82 48 34 .585 7.0 3 5 2 3 .400
2001-02 40 NBA NYK 19 10 9 .526 0.5 7
2003-04 42 NBA HOU 82 45 37 .549 4.0 5 5 1 4 .200
2004-05 43 NBA HOU 82 51 31 .622 10.0 3 7 3 4 .429
2005-06 44 NBA HOU 82 34 48 .415 -7.0 5
2006-07 45 NBA HOU 82 52 30 .634 11.0 3 7 3 4 .429
Career NBA 748 430 318 .575 56.0 88 44 44 .500

Career .500 in the playoffs with 1 yes 1 conference playoff under his belt and Houston team finished #1 once and was bounced first round.

Sloan:
Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1979-80 37 NBA CHI 82 30 52 .366 -11.0 4
1980-81 38 NBA CHI 82 45 37 .549 4.0 2 6 2 4 .333
1981-82 39 NBA CHI 51 19 32 .373 -6.5 5
1988-89 46 NBA UTA 65 40 25 .615 7.5 1 3 0 3 .000
1989-90 47 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 5 2 3 .400
1990-91 48 NBA UTA 82 54 28 .659 13.0 2 9 4 5 .444
1991-92 49 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 1 16 9 7 .563
1992-93 50 NBA UTA 82 47 35 .573 6.0 3 5 2 3 .400
1993-94 51 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 3 16 8 8 .500
1994-95 52 NBA UTA 82 60 22 .732 19.0 2 5 2 3 .400
1995-96 53 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 18 10 8 .556
1996-97 54 NBA UTA 82 64 18 .780 23.0 1 20 13 7 .650 WC Champions
1997-98 55 NBA UTA 82 62 20 .756 21.0 1 20 13 7 .650 WC Champions
1998-99 56 NBA UTA 50 37 13 .740 12.0 2 11 5 6 .455
1999-00 57 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 1 10 4 6 .400
2000-01 58 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 2 5 2 3 .400
2001-02 59 NBA UTA 82 44 38 .537 3.0 4 4 1 3 .250
2002-03 60 NBA UTA 82 47 35 .573 6.0 4 5 1 4 .200
2003-04 61 NBA UTA 82 42 40 .512 1.0 7
2004-05 62 NBA UTA 82 26 56 .317 -15.0 5
2005-06 63 NBA UTA 82 41 41 .500 0.0 2
2006-07 64 NBA UTA 82 51 31 .622 10.0 1 17 9 8 .529
2007-08 65 NBA UTA 82 54 28 .659 13.0 1 12 6 6 .500
2008-09 66 NBA UTA 82 48 34 .585 7.0 3 5 1 4 .200
2009-10 67 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 2 10 4 6 .400
2010-11 68 NBA UTA 54 31 23 .574 4.0 4
Career NBA 2024 1221 803 .603 209.0 202 98 104 .485

He has a .485 playoff winning percentage and never won, lost twice!!!!

Brown:
I won't even bother since this ENTIRE forum screamed daily to get rid of him when he was here and I can't believe I am seeing his name.I mean people screamed on how you can't win on D alone, you need to score... People chanted for Isiah... UN REAL!!!!!

Mike D:
Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1998-99 47 NBA DEN 50 14 36 .280 -11.0 6
2003-04 52 NBA PHO 61 21 40 .344 -9.5 6
2004-05 53 NBA PHO 82 62 20 .756 21.0 1 15 9 6 .600
2005-06 54 NBA PHO 82 54 28 .659 13.0 1 20 10 10 .500
2006-07 55 NBA PHO 82 61 21 .744 20.0 1 11 6 5 .545
2007-08 56 NBA PHO 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 5 1 4 .200
2008-09 57 NBA NYK 82 32 50 .390 -9.0 5
2009-10 58 NBA NYK 82 29 53 .354 -12.0 3
2010-11 59 NBA NYK 65 34 31 .523 1.5 2
Career NBA 668 362 306 .542 28.0 51 26 25 .510

Career .510 no finals appearances. He has a better win % than both VanGundy and Sloan. 4 full years in Phoenix 4 playoff appearances. While his record is still a work in progress, my point is he is just as capable as any other coach and with the right team, has just as much as a chance as almost any other coach in the league.

I'll take either of the coaches who are known for actually coaching defense and bringing teams to the finals for 1000, Alex.
 

moneyg

Starter
Really? Those our your choices?
Ok, let's break down your choices:

Van Gundy

Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1995-96 34 NBA NYK 23 13 10 .565 1.5 2 8 4 4 .500
1996-97 35 NBA NYK 82 57 25 .695 16.0 2 10 6 4 .600
1997-98 36 NBA NYK 82 43 39 .524 2.0 2 10 4 6 .400
1998-99 37 NBA NYK 50 27 23 .540 2.0 4 20 12 8 .600 EC Champions
1999-00 38 NBA NYK 82 50 32 .610 9.0 2 16 9 7 .563
2000-01 39 NBA NYK 82 48 34 .585 7.0 3 5 2 3 .400
2001-02 40 NBA NYK 19 10 9 .526 0.5 7
2003-04 42 NBA HOU 82 45 37 .549 4.0 5 5 1 4 .200
2004-05 43 NBA HOU 82 51 31 .622 10.0 3 7 3 4 .429
2005-06 44 NBA HOU 82 34 48 .415 -7.0 5
2006-07 45 NBA HOU 82 52 30 .634 11.0 3 7 3 4 .429
Career NBA 748 430 318 .575 56.0 88 44 44 .500

Career .500 in the playoffs with 1 yes 1 conference playoff under his belt and Houston team finished #1 once and was bounced first round.

Sloan:
Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1979-80 37 NBA CHI 82 30 52 .366 -11.0 4
1980-81 38 NBA CHI 82 45 37 .549 4.0 2 6 2 4 .333
1981-82 39 NBA CHI 51 19 32 .373 -6.5 5
1988-89 46 NBA UTA 65 40 25 .615 7.5 1 3 0 3 .000
1989-90 47 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 5 2 3 .400
1990-91 48 NBA UTA 82 54 28 .659 13.0 2 9 4 5 .444
1991-92 49 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 1 16 9 7 .563
1992-93 50 NBA UTA 82 47 35 .573 6.0 3 5 2 3 .400
1993-94 51 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 3 16 8 8 .500
1994-95 52 NBA UTA 82 60 22 .732 19.0 2 5 2 3 .400
1995-96 53 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 18 10 8 .556
1996-97 54 NBA UTA 82 64 18 .780 23.0 1 20 13 7 .650 WC Champions
1997-98 55 NBA UTA 82 62 20 .756 21.0 1 20 13 7 .650 WC Champions
1998-99 56 NBA UTA 50 37 13 .740 12.0 2 11 5 6 .455
1999-00 57 NBA UTA 82 55 27 .671 14.0 1 10 4 6 .400
2000-01 58 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 2 5 2 3 .400
2001-02 59 NBA UTA 82 44 38 .537 3.0 4 4 1 3 .250
2002-03 60 NBA UTA 82 47 35 .573 6.0 4 5 1 4 .200
2003-04 61 NBA UTA 82 42 40 .512 1.0 7
2004-05 62 NBA UTA 82 26 56 .317 -15.0 5
2005-06 63 NBA UTA 82 41 41 .500 0.0 2
2006-07 64 NBA UTA 82 51 31 .622 10.0 1 17 9 8 .529
2007-08 65 NBA UTA 82 54 28 .659 13.0 1 12 6 6 .500
2008-09 66 NBA UTA 82 48 34 .585 7.0 3 5 1 4 .200
2009-10 67 NBA UTA 82 53 29 .646 12.0 2 10 4 6 .400
2010-11 68 NBA UTA 54 31 23 .574 4.0 4
Career NBA 2024 1221 803 .603 209.0 202 98 104 .485

He has a .485 playoff winning percentage and never won, lost twice!!!! He is also like a 100 years old and is notorious for butting heads with his stars though out the years.

Brown:
I won't even bother since this ENTIRE forum screamed daily to get rid of him when he was here and I can't believe I am seeing his name.I mean people screamed on how you can't win on D alone, you need to score... People chanted for Isiah... UN REAL!!!!!

Mike D:
Season Age Lg Tm G W L W-L% W > .500 Finish G Plyf W Plyf L Plyf W-L% Plyf Notes
1998-99 47 NBA DEN 50 14 36 .280 -11.0 6
2003-04 52 NBA PHO 61 21 40 .344 -9.5 6
2004-05 53 NBA PHO 82 62 20 .756 21.0 1 15 9 6 .600
2005-06 54 NBA PHO 82 54 28 .659 13.0 1 20 10 10 .500
2006-07 55 NBA PHO 82 61 21 .744 20.0 1 11 6 5 .545
2007-08 56 NBA PHO 82 55 27 .671 14.0 2 5 1 4 .200
2008-09 57 NBA NYK 82 32 50 .390 -9.0 5
2009-10 58 NBA NYK 82 29 53 .354 -12.0 3
2010-11 59 NBA NYK 65 34 31 .523 1.5 2
Career NBA 668 362 306 .542 28.0 51 26 25 .510

Career .510 no finals appearances. He has a better win % than both VanGundy and Sloan. 4 full years in Phoenix 4 playoff appearances. While his record is still a work in progress, my point is he is just as capable as any other coach and with the right team, has just as much as a chance as almost any other coach in the league.


i guess cuz mike brown has a better oct than most coaches in the league.. i guess he is better than them.. sloan had crap for years....
 

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru
Dantoni or Damnphony has been coaching this way in MSG since the start of the 2008-9 season. This is why every season I keep believing he will be Fired at the end of the season.

When the 3-balls are hitting Damnphony gets a win, when the 3-balls are missing Dantoni gets a loss.
Nothing improve on Dantoni's coaching method in the past 3 seasons...

Wait, he inherited the same roster Isiah had the prior years and couldn't do any better and you want to say it was D'Antoni's fault? He had the worst combination of players in the history of the NBA and you want to fault him??? For 3 years the ONLY goal was to dump salary so he had NO players and you want to blame him? He was playing .500 ball this year until he BLEW UP the roster to bring in Melo and Billups so now this team needs time to play together and get to know each other and you want to blame him???

I'm flabbergasted!!!! What the hell has this man had to work with until NOW and this is STILL a work in progress! AND, they will change the roster AGAIN this off season when they try to bring in a big man and 1 or 2 bench players... Let them finish building the roster, get a season under their belt with the new roster and then you can cry if they stink up the joint.
 
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