MDA has played & started more players than any other coach in the league over the last 3 years. Aging players = gone. Horrible players = gone. Non-team players = gone. He's building an up & coming contender. 4 of his guys landed us a Superstar & Billups.
Marbury (ball-hog) gone.
Nate (wasn't a team player). Gone.
Duhon (horrible bust from duke). Gone.
TD23 (Promising talent). Still here.
Billups (Aging player). Still productive.
Carter (Aging player). Trade throw-In.
Felton (Career year under MDA)
T-Mac (Aging player). Gone.
Fields (Great rookie). Still here.
Gallo (Developed by MDA). Traded.
Chandler (Career year under MDA) Traded.
Walker (Promising talent). Still here.
Shawne (Hopeful talent). Still here.
Melo (Superstar). Still here.
David Lee (Couldn't afford). Gone.
Amare (Developed under MDA). Still here.
JJ (We needed help) Still here.
Shelden (needed help) Now playing.
Curry (Horrible bust) now gone.
Mozgov (Rookie) was traded.
Funny how they harp all over MDA for the 2 players he didn't play lol.
why not play 3 guards a PF and a center if you want to go small ball??? like detroit did.. but you need a legit 5.. get it.. a banger...im sure there a few in the d league..
dont mind him playin JJ as a backup.. not at the 5..
Those players played out of position because of our ROSTER guy. I have been making this point for months! MDA tried going traditional with:
SF- Gallo (oversized SF)
SG- Fields (oversized SG who is really a SF)
6th man- Chandler
^^That is traditional and MDA's FIRST OPTION. He only went to a "small ball" lineup when it was clear Mozgov was not ready and only after we started the season horribly.
Further, we are now going with a traditional lineup:
C-Turiaf when healthy who happens to be our best big or Sheldon/JJ our only two other bigs
He then rotates in multiple players and PLAYS THE BEST PLAYERS POSSIBLE on our ROSTER.
P.S. Shawne Williams played brilliantly against Dwight Howard with the help of a great team defensive scheme.
P.P.S. If MDA had a legit center that was NBA ready he would play him. This all comes down to our roster and the hard choices MDA must make.
The only thing hilarious is you ever changing points that morph around the dead ends I expose.
MDA has shown a definite change in style after the trade. Good for him. Good for us.
If he doesn't hold his players accountable for lazy effort and doesn't come up with better defensive schemes when the playoff comes along, it's not going to be pretty... and he will lose his job.
Great post about the lineups TR1LL.
I have a feeling we go after DeAndre Jordan guns blazing. Just like MDA has always loved Amare as his PF; He'll LOVE DeAndre Jordan as his ATHLETIC Center.
One thing the NBA has yet to see MDA have? Two ATHLETIC big's who can BOTH run the floor out of the C & PF position's. DeAndre Jordan is a match made in heaven for not only MDA, but for our team. Jordan can run, he can full lanes, he can block & contest shots. He's able to score & most importantly? This kid can board on the glass. Trust me, I know, I try & watch this kid every chance I get thanks to the NBA league pass. The kid puts up rebound numbers & competes with his own teammate Blake Griffin who's a high flying rebounding machine. I've seen Jordan & Blake compete for a rebound against EACHOTHER! It's almost like they have a bet who can board the most per game. If DeAndre can put up numbers with the Clippers... He'll put up 12-15 rebounds per in NY. Amare is not Blake & Blake steals a good 3-6 per from Jordan.
Only a clueless fan would EXPECT an NBA coach to start a Russian project from day one, a Russian project who's only a rookie; One who has NEVER played American ball before.
Start that type of ROOKIE from day one in a playoff race? Are you kidding me?
Some of these guys who make those types of remarks have no idea what it means to develope a young kid from the bench, let alone a Euro-Rook. Sad. Mozgov was trash to begin with as a starter. Rookie only averaged 2 points & 3 boards per game before getting traded. Even JJ's more productive.
MDA played Mozgov once he thought Mozgov was ready to fill in for Turiaf. It's as simple as that.
Fields has started EVERY GAME since game #2. MDA knew which rookie to start from day one. The more polished, more productive & the more developed rookie of the two. He goes by the name of Landy Fields. MDA knowns "ready talent" when he spots it. Thats why he's an NBA head coach making 6M per; while you watch the games from your living room BELIEVING "you can do oh so better"
O'antoni admitted that he likes to get amare time at the 5...why??..now he has to make some changes.. which his is doing... good for him...
i just think about all the player over the years that were crossed off the list becuase they did not fit his system.. which leads me to believe thats why most BIGs dont develop well under him. and why we dont have additional bigs like most teams in the NBA.. most nba teams have at least 3 PF/Center...
last question.. who is our backup at the 4 spot to amare???
Technically you're right, he did give Moz minutes and he did prefer to start him at some point during the season, but too often MDA gives players minutes after they're either forced into a game because of other players being out, or impressing during garbage time. That doesn't really seem like a coach recognizing what he has and utilizing it.
Trill kind of reminds me of a lawyer. Where someone takes a situation that has two sides two it, and words his statement in a way that kind of diminishes the other side or acts like it's not there.
Yes, to say he did not give Moz minutes and to say he didn't prefer to have him as a starting center is to ignore reality, but to also say that MDA did not bench Moz indefinitely and only give him some minutes when 2-3 of our 8 man rotation was not available, is to also ignore reality.
It's kind of hard to predict (or down right impossible) if Moz would have played in that game or in the stretch of games he had after, if our regular rotation was intact. The evidence of his multiple DNPs before that game lends itself to the notion that he would have sat his big russian ass on the bench for a few more games. But then you can also make the argument that MDA saw "something" in practice and shoot arounds that made him start Moz....it was just a coincidence that Turiaf, Williams, and I think Walker, all weren't playing. One assumption has Mozgov's DNPs and the fact that a quarter of our rotation was out, so we needed bodies to take those minutes, and the other assumption has....
Last edited by nuckles2k2; Apr 06, 2011 at 09:39.
Guess if I was simple in the mind...everything would be fine.
Read all my posts. I clearly stated that MDA started the season with Moz as his first option and benched him at of necessity for Chandler. (that adjustment lead to many wins) That point was made in response to the inaccurate assertion that MDA's first choice is to run a small team. Further, while Mozgov got his second chance because of injury having Mozgov starting was always MDA's preferred choice. Sure it took a breakout game to get his spot BACK but MDA stayed with him even when injuries were no longer a factor. Those facts directly counter assertions that MDA prefers a small lineup verse a traditional lineup. MDA pefers any lineup that is going to win games.
BTW, comparing me to a lawyer in the context of a back and forth debate is a compliment so thank you.
I understand what you're saying but you are missing one key point. When MOA was asked by the media immediately before that Detroit game if Moz was back in the rotation, MOA said "I'm not going to upset my applecart." Clearly stating Moz was going back to the bench.
Only Moz BEASTED and forced his way into the lineup. MOA had no clue what he had with Moz or AR. Or he had a clue and just didnt care. Remember he wants to win HIS WAY...
See my post to Nuckles...