View Poll Results: Is Billups good enough for this team for the next 1 or 2 years?

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    Originally Posted by WrongIslander
    Time waits for no man. I hope he can perform this year and I think he will but long term we need to look elsewhere despite how much I like Mr Bigshot.
    This poll is only talking about 1 or 2 more years at the most. Nothing said about long term.

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    I think this thread served its purpose. As many of us have stated before, no one thinks Billups is worth the 14 mil option he has for next season, so that issue should have been put away loooooong ago.

    The next and most important thing was Billups talent level and his ability to lead this team at the PG position. Trill came with all these reasons why Billups wasn't the right fit for this team and whenever he met opposition would reference age, desire and even his skill! The majority of people disagreed but he kept on trying to prove why he was right even while Billups was proving that he could still play at a high level.

    People constantly pointed out to Trill that he wasn't 100% during his subpar games and you igonored it. Billups then turned it up when he was healthy and you still found reasons to keep doubting him. You should have conceded long ago but instead you panic and prefer to tell people how they aren't debating you properly or some other crap.

    Bottom line Trill: The poll results show what the general concensus is so leave it alone and move on.
    Last edited by nyk_nyk; Apr 08, 2011 at 10:09.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    This poll is only talking about 1 or 2 more years at the most. Nothing said about long term.
    Yeah but if you have the chance to replace him now then you do in my opinion but only with the right man.

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    Originally Posted by platnumn
    This **** is like watching a action movie.

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    Ok back to work, that was ****ing pointless. As is all this Billups crap
    I know, it is pretty silly but some people just don't know when to concede even if the majority says otherwise. It would be nice to know your views on Billups though since your here.

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    Originally Posted by WrongIslander
    Yeah but if you have the chance to replace him now then you do in my opinion but only with the right man.
    I hear you but your not answering the poll question. Simply, is he good enough for this team at most for 1 or 2 more years?

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I hear you but your not answering the poll question. Simply, is he good enough for this team at most for 1 or 2 more years?
    My answer is he's as good as our options. If we can improve we should.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I think this thread served its purpose. As many of us have stated before, no one thinks Billups is worth the 14 mil option he has for next season, so that issue should have been put away loooooong ago.

    The next and most important thing was Billups talent level and his ability to lead this team at the PG position. Trill came with all these reasons why Billups wasn't the right fit for this team and whenever he met opposition would reference age, desire and even his skill! The majority of people disagreed but he kept on trying to prove why he was right even while Billups was proving that he could still play at a high level.

    People constantly pointed out to you that he wasn't 100% during his subpar games and you igonored it. Billups then turned it up when he was healthy and you still found reasons to keep doubting him. You should have conceded long ago but instead you panic and prefer to tell people how they aren't debating you properly or some other crap.

    Bottom line Trill: The poll results show what the general concensus is so leave it alone and move on.
    Can't help but to say my name. Are you really that mad?



    Guess what. I voted yes too so what exactly did you prove? That under a hypothetical ideal scenario we would take Billups? Okay...

    I have made my case more than once and you have yet to actually address my points directly in a meaningful way. You can continue to state I'm wrong but stating something and proving it are two very different things. You are also free to disagree with my conclusions and I was the first to acknowledge I was in the minority but I did give my reasons for my assertions. Sadly instead of debating me you got buthurt because I questioned your IQ and since then have been hellbent on evening the score at the expense of the debate. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, I did even say:

    My bad on being harsh but as you like to say...REAL TALK.
    Meh. I guess I should take it as a compliment that I garner so much attention that people need to create whole threads to get my attention and reference me by name more than once including their OP.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I know, it is pretty silly but some people just don't know when to concede even if the majority says otherwise. It would be nice to know your views on Billups though since your here.

    Being in the majority does not equal being right. At one point the majority of Americans thought black people were inferior. Were they right? At one point in a majority thought the world was flat. Were they right?

    Sometimes it takes guts to stake out a minority opinion ahead of the masses and stick to it even when attacked. I emphasize the word attack because had you and some others actually debated instead of distorting my position this could have stayed civil. Further, I can concede points and admit I was wrong evidenced by my retraction regarding Billups never being a good defender. Rono used his brain, stuck to the topic and provided evidence to directly counter my point. That is how you debate and I respect Rono for that.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Can't help but to say my name. Are you really that mad?



    Guess what. I voted yes too so what exactly did you prove? That under a hypothetical ideal scenario we would take Billups? Okay...

    I have made my case more than once and you have yet to actually address my points directly in a meaningful way. You can continue to state I'm wrong but stating something and proving it are two very different things. You are also free to disagree with my conclusions and I was the first to acknowledge I was in the minority but I did give my reasons for my assertions. Sadly instead of debating me you got buthurt because I questioned your IQ and since then have been hellbent on evening the score at the expense of the debate. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, I did even say:



    Meh. I guess I should take it as a compliment that I garner so much attention that people need to create whole threads to get my attention and reference me by name more than once including their OP.
    You vote yes (which i think is BS), but you've spent post after post explaining why Billups isn't the right PG for this team. Yeah... this is the knockout puch that's got you all dazed now.


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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    You vote yes (which i think is BS), but you've spent post after post explaining why Billups isn't the right PG for this team. Yeah... this is the knockout puch that's got you all dazed now.
    Man you're dense...

    Billups is not the right style for this team but as I mentioned more than once I can take a PRAGMATIC approach since there are several things this team needs. I stated:

    Fair points and at 2-3 mil a year I have no problems with Billups. My issue is what we do moving forward. I would take Billups running the point another year or so at 2-3 mil if the saved money allowed us to fill other needs. A pass first PG is certainly not our only need. I just hope Amare doesn't suffer from Billups score first mentality.
    ^^That's called pragmatism dude. It's accepting less than my perceived ideal scenario in return to filling other needs. Damn dude, what is wrong with you?

    prag·mat·ic/pragˈmatik/Adjective
    1. Dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations
    P.S. That's right, I have spent post after post defending my position. I wish you had spent post after post explaining your stance instead of attacking me, simply stating I'm wrong or diverting the subject to the coach.

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    Just out of curiosity do people really think Billups would be okay with the Knicks buying him out causing him to lose roughly 12mil? Then turn around and re-sign with us for a less. I mean that is what this hypothetical scenario is based on. Don't you think he would rather go earn 2-3mil back in Denver or with a team like Miami who is closer to a title than us? Just food for thought.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Man you're dense...

    Billups is not the right style for this team but as I mentioned more than once I can take a PRAGMATIC approach since there are several things this team needs. I stated:



    ^^That's called pragmatism dude. It's accepting less than my perceived ideal scenario in return to filling other needs. Damn dude, what is wrong with you?



    P.S. That's right, I have spent post after post defending my position. I wish you had spent post after post explaining your stance instead of attacking me, simply stating I'm wrong or diverting the subject to the coach.
    My only issue with you was your assessment of his skill level and how it wasn't the right fit for this team. I've given plenty of reasons why you thinking he's a shell of himself was completely false. I also told you why I though he was good enough to lead this team. Not sure how you can say I never explained my stance. Go back and paste some of my posts for prooof.

    When we got Billups, you felt he would hurt the team because he wasn't a pass first PG but you were proven wrong (up until this point). All I've ever argued was that he's not washed up and can still play at a high level for this team and hep us win.

    Its contradictory to to claim he isn't the right PG for this team and point out his stats to support your assertions, but then say you have no problem with him at a reduced salary. If your going to spend all that time looking up stats and referencing his career numbers to prove why you don't like him for the team then stick to your guns man. Don't flip flop because then all your going to do is point to a post and say "oh that's not true I actually said this here" blah blah blah.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    My only issue with you was your assessment of his skill level and how it wasn't the right fit for this team. I've given plenty of reasons why you thinking he's a shell of himself was completely false. I also told you why I though he was good enough to lead this team. Not sure how you can say I never explained my stance. Go back and paste some of my posts for prooof.
    As you wish:

    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    It's the coach's job to get this right. He can easily develop plays (other than the pick and roll) to correct this issue. Or can't he?

    I agree CB has been having way too many turnovers, but amare not getting the ball where he needs it should be noticed and corrected by the coach and his staff. Unfortunately we have a bunch of idiots as coaches.

    There I said it!
    ^^First post you made on the topic in response to me. All you did was divert and blame the coach and in no way addressed my issue. Further your last sentence was a snide attempt at mocking my OP since I used "there I said it!" in my OP. So from the jump you were diverting and trying to antagonize me.

    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    No because it all points back to coaching. Whatever you have an issue with will always go back to MDA. You don't like Billups because he's not playing that well right now but there is a way to correct that (coaching-wise). When Felton was stinking it up, did you dislike him too? Billups played a different way in DEN -- this is NY and here we take quick open shots. Right?

    All i'm saying is, majority of the time any issue will point back to the coach. The same way if the team is doing well you give props to MDA it has to go the other way when things are falling apart. We all know Billups is a professional and damn good basketball player, so all it takes is some good coaching and communication by MDA to make things better.

    Also, it would help if they practiced a little more.
    ^^Your second response even after I clearly stated this was not about the coach. 0 for 2 in actually addressing my points. You yourself even stated Billups was not playing well, you just chose to blame the coach.

    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    So Billups, Finals MVP and one of the top PGs in the league for years isn't the right PG for this roster and coach??? Billups played great in DET and DEN but he doesn't fit with this team??? No, I think the team is just fine...It's the guy that's controlling the whole thing that's the problem. By the way, Felton thrived for about 2 months and then became average after starting out really mediocre.
     
    How is Billups not the right PG for Amare, Melo and the rest but he works just fine with players from DET and DEN?? You sound silly man. So what hes 35. He's still better than Felton right now. Maybe not as fast but definitely a smarter and more refined basketball player.
     
    Oh and you got it twisted...Dantoni thrived under Nash.
    ^^More talk about our coach and about Billups in his prime not Billups at 34. Further making a profoundly stupid point with the question "Billups played great in DET and DEN but he doesn't fit with this team" completely ignoring that not every team or player is the same. BTW, my pointing this out is what caused you to go from mildly antagonizing to outright emotional with your attacks evidenced by your next post:

    lol your funny man! So only 8 games by Billups and you feel he's not the right PG for Amare. We've had over a whole season to know that Dantoni isn't the right coach for this team.

    Another reason why your a comedian: When Gallo was here you gave him all types of passes (injury, age, acclimation to the league) whenever he struggled. SO why on earth are you so quick to throw a guy under the bus who has been a champion and has made teams better at the PG position?? Yes CB is 35 but he's not at the decline of a Shaq so that was a dumb comparision to begin with. CB can obviously still play at a high level.

    All that BS you talking is nonsense. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT CHAUNCEY IS A PRO AND WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT HE CAN'T PLAY WITH AMARE? Maybe different offensive schemes need to be implemented. Maybe Amare needs to move without the ball better. Maybe Amare prefers to be a jumpshooter at this point. My dude, your marginalizing CB to some weak PG that hasn't made a name for himself in this league. Just because you feel a player doesn't fit with 1 guy doesn't mean he's not right for the TEAM. Cmon son!!! Wake up!

    I get it! You are the fanboy persident for Dantoni. Just remember you are part of a minority on here when it comes to that.

    And don't try to insult my basketball knowledge because you questioning of CB already provided you an L.
    ^^This post was full of attacks and one of your many diversions now bringing up Gallo of all people!

    So you asked me to post some of your quotes and I posted the first few. Not one time did you actually address my points! Shall I go on?


    Its contradictory to to claim he isn't the right PG for this team and point out his stats to support your assertions, but then say you have no problem with him at a reduced salary. If your going to spend all that time looking up stats and referencing his career numbers to prove why you don't like him for the team then stick to your guns man. Don't flip flop because then all your going to do is point to a post and say "oh that's not true I actually said this here" blah blah blah.
    Oh and no, it is not contradictory, again it's pragmatic! I have stuck to my guns, his style is not conducive to this roster or system. That doesn't mean I can't accept him at 2-3mil if that means we can fill another big need at center. It's less than ideal but acceptable since there are plenty of things we need. More pointedly I rather Billups at 2-3mil and M. Gasol or D. JOrdan than Jared Jefferies/Turiaf and Billups at 14mil. Get it? Doubt it...

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    As you wish:



    ^^First post you made on the topic in response to me. All you did was divert and blame the coach and in no way addressed my issue. Further your last sentence was a snide attempt at mocking my OP since I used "there I said it!" in my OP. So from the jump you were diverting and trying to antagonize me.



    ^^Your second response even after I clearly stated this was not about the coach. 0 for 2 in actually addressing my points. You yourself even stated Billups was not playing well, you just chose to blame the coach.



    ^^More talk about our coach and about Billups in his prime not Billups at 34. Further making a profoundly stupid point with the question "Billups played great in DET and DEN but he doesn't fit with this team" completely ignoring that not every team or player is the same. BTW, my pointing this out is what caused you to go from mildly antagonizing to outright emotional with your attacks evidenced by your next post:



    ^^This post was full of attacks and one of your many diversions now bringing up Gallo of all people!

    So you asked me to post some of your quotes and I posted the first few. Not one time did you actually address my points! Shall I go on?




    Oh and no, it is not contradictory, again it's pragmatic! I have stuck to my guns, his style is not conducive to this roster or system. That doesn't mean I can't accept him at 2-3mil if that means we can fill another big need at center. It's less than ideal but acceptable since there are plenty of things we need. More pointedly I rather Billups at 2-3mil and M. Gasol or D. JOrdan than Jared Jefferies/Turiaf and Billups at 14mil. Get it? Doubt it...
    LOL your a funny NERD. I gave you plenty of reasons why I though he was good enough to lead this team and all you did was post the other stuff in between. Your a joke man, i'm done.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    LOL your a funny NERD. I gave you plenty of reasons why I though he was good enough to lead this team and all you did was post the other stuff in between. Your a joke man, i'm done.
    No I actually posted the first 4 or 5 posts of yours in their ENTIRETY. No editing, no excluding information...THE ENTIRE posts. Further I showed how you were trying to antagonize me from the very begging.

    LOL at you asking me to prove what a dbag you are and then when I do so you continue to distort and deflect furthering your douschebaggery!

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