Typing too fast & meant to say Pierce @ SF & Allen @ 2G lol not the "other way" around.
I despise Rondo as much as the next guy (I hate anything Boston) but I give credit where credit is due, the dude has tremendous court vision. Court vision is not like shooting 1500 free throws a day or taking 500 jumpshots a day, it's closer to a given talent than to an acquired one at the NBA level. That comes from honing that skill for years when you are still developing your game. What comes next is the decision making and learning the game at the professional level. Steve Nash attributes his court vision to playing organized soccer as a kid and having to pick out moving targets while he was also moving....translate that to him moving with a basketball and having moving teammates out there and it's second nature to him...he's just using his hands now.
I don't know anything about Toney Douglas' childhood, but at FSU he was a shooting guard. He got to the NBA based on his merits as a shooting guard, I would feel more comfortable with us acquiring a player who got to the NBA based on his merits as a point guard to play the point, it's literally that simple. It's not a slight against Toney in any way, I just want him in the position he's accustomed to do what Toney Douglas do.
He plays the game like an off-guard, let him be a ****ing off-guard, and go get a point guard who plays the game like a point guard and obtimize his talents at his position. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
I'd take Kyrie, Brandon, or Kemba over TD for starting PGs. Definitely Kyrie and Brandon, Kemba is more of a question mark but I think he's shown enough at UConn playing the point to show that he can be a serviceable PG at the pro level.
I think Kemba has more combo guard in him than pure point, but so does Monta Ellis and Jarryd Bayless and I'd be more comfortable with either of those guys running the point for us over TD. Once again...don't get me wrong, I love TD....but he. is. not. a. point. guard. Luke Ridnour and Steve Blake are point guards, TDougie is not.
I say let him be a combo guard that comes off the bench and provides a spark on both ends. There's nothing wrong with that.
I'm right there with you on TD, I love the guy, I love his heart, his effort but some people make it impossible for you to talk up the guy when they want him to be something he's not.
Edit: I just realised I said Kemba (got Kemba fever lol) and I definetly agree he's more of a combo guard, I meant KENDALL MARSHALL. Easy mistake to make right?
The only thing is, I would want Billups around to shepherd whoever our young PG is, that's regardless of who the coach is at that point. Whether it's MDA (who KFFQ thinks can turn anyone into a PG) or someone else, I want that vet PG on the team to guide him. Funny thing is I noticed Billups doing that with Toney in their first game together in Feb. The Bucks were shooting free throws and both players were in the back court talking to MDA, and when MDA left the convo and went back to the bench, Chauncey and TD walked down the court together and Billups was still talking to him, moving his hands, and coaching him up on the court.
While that's beneficial for Toney, I would want the same thing for anyone we might draft at the PG spot.
But yea, Kyrie, Kemba, Kendall, and Brandon are all solid picks...Kyrie is probably top-3, definitely top-5, but the other three can probably be had by either trading up or waiting for them to fall to us (maybe except for Brandon Knight...he could be top 10 as well.)
I'm not sure if a lot of these views are just based on our offensive falling apart down the stretch at Philly.
Guys while I agree TD is nowhere near ready to start as our PG to say he doesnt have the court vision and awareness is false IMO.
He choked in Philly, I think everyone took a big hit when Billups went down, it wasn't just TD you could see the entire team deflate.
But seriously, this guy has all the skills to be a PG in this league some of them just need to be nurtured further than others. We know TD can shoot, man-defend, play in the lanes, handle, he is quick. Now he needs to add a couple of go-to dribble moves along with constant passing drills to develop his vision and awareness. It is there it's just not as defined as his other skills.
Before we acquired Billups I would have been more comfortable leaving TD23 in the combo-guard 6th man spot that he has been playing well all season. But now we lost Felton, a 40mpg "pass first" PG for Billups, a seasoned vet who's game is quite similar to the game TD is developing. If we keep Billups on over the next couple of years it would be silly not to have TD learn behind him at the point.
I have to agree with the Charlie Ward comparison, TD just has a little more scoring ability and a little less passing ability as of right now.
Everyone knows TD is a talented player, and is still developing, but he is NOT a championship level starting PG.
I think if he was forced to be the starting PG he would shine as a scorer and defender, but not as a leader that PG's should be.
I agree with the few who stated he should be 6th man with about 25-30 minutes (depending on the roster/lineup).
He will continue to get better, but he should play more of an off guard, where he can spot up and shoot. Utilize his strengths, let him be a KEY role player (ala manu ginobili, jason terry) and he will be just fine.
I don't know whether or not those numbers TD puts up as a backup are true enough to base an argument off of.
He's not a backup in the truest sense of the word. He gets a bunch of minutes at the 2 position playing alongside Carter or Billups at the point because MDA likes to play it like that.
I wouldn't mind him being our starter after billups ends his time as our starter. It'll give us cap to sign a center =D