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    Default Jamal Crawford?

    Note: This thread isn't for the people who want another max contract.

    If our plan isn't to get another max, we're obviously going for a center. We know the main guys for that position, which include the up and coming DeAndre Jordan.

    I know Crawford didn't leave the best impression on a lot of Knicks fans, but his run with the Hawks has given them a very good scorer off the bench (in fact he was good in the few games he played as a starter for us in the 2008-2009 season).

    Would you be willing to get a center, Crawford, and another defensive player (vet. minimum)?

    Of course, how much money he'd be willing to give up would be the deciding factor. In game 2 he would have been huge to take the pressure off Melo, whether giving him a little rest or giving Melo a significant amount of being able to go more one on one instead of being double/triple-teamed.

    He's been great in the Playoffs this year, having a big game to help the Hawks beat the Magic in game 1 and having 25 points in game 2, in which the Magic didn't win by much.

    Forget about the Isiah Thomas days, Crawford has succeeded since, so has Zack Randolph.

    Only one other player I can think of at the moment, who would probably take less than Crawford, unless Crawford wants to play in New York that much, is Vince Carter. Put Vince Carter as the back-up point guard or even starting SG, and you have another play-maker. Only thing with Vince is the Magic and Suns take a lot of threes, and he played more like a spot-up shooter, which is not his game, I don't know if D'Antoni would do the same with him. Vince also would have to be bought out.

    I'd love to get DeAndre Jordan, and Crawford to take less enough to let Turiaf be able to back up DeAndre, but I don't see that happening.

    While we're at it, we must get Jeffries back for his defense, he's stepped it up, and won't ask for much most likely again.
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    I actually liked Jamal when he was a Knick but at this point I don't think he's what this team needs. We already have our big shot makers in Melo & STAT, & TD can make shots too at times. What this team needs is better defenders & toughness inside. I'd much rather target a smart & heady vet that brings it on the defensive end of the floor but can still make open shots like a Raja Bell via trade then to sign Jamal Crawford longterm for example if we're going to try & add another G to this roster.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    I actually liked Jamal when he was a Knick but at this point I don't think he's what this team needs. We already have our big shot makers in Melo & STAT, & TD can make shots too at times. What this team needs is better defenders & toughness inside. I'd much rather target a smart & heady vet that brings it on the defensive end of the floor but can still make open shots like a Raja Bell via trade then to sign Jamal Crawford longterm for example if we're going to try & add another G to this roster.
    Well I see what your saying but besides Melo tonight, who did we have to step up when Stat was gone?Lets look at our guards off the bench:

    Toney Douglas-Had he played well tonight we most likely would have won, instead he made only 4 shots out of 16.

    Landry Fields-He has hit more than a wall, he has hit a mountain! This guy should be no more than a bench energy guard like Turiaf is for the PF/C position.

    Bill Walker-0-11 nuff said...

    Roger Mason-Guy doesn't even play and when he did he airballed a wideopen three in a crucial moment.

    Out of these guys who can we rely on consistently? We don't really have a 6th man. Every great team has one, LA has L.O., Boston has Big Baby, Miami has Mike Miller, Chicago has Korver, Dallas has Terry when Caron was healthy, etc. If we got Crawford for cheap we wouldn't have to worry about getting some production off our bench because he would bring instant offense and decent 'D'.

    Oh, and BTW Raja Bell is washed up. If anyone I'd go after Matt Barnes. Plays 'D', can shoot the 3, and is crazy which every title team needs.

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    Originally Posted by la2ny
    Well I see what your saying but besides Melo tonight, who did we have to step up when Stat was gone?Lets look at our guards off the bench:

    Toney Douglas-Had he played well tonight we most likely would have won, instead he made only 4 shots out of 16.

    Landry Fields-He has hit more than a wall, he has hit a mountain! This guy should be no more than a bench energy guard like Turiaf is for the PF/C position.

    Bill Walker-0-11 nuff said...

    Roger Mason-Guy doesn't even play and when he did he airballed a wideopen three in a crucial moment.

    Out of these guys who can we rely on consistently? We don't really have a 6th man. Every great team has one, LA has L.O., Boston has Big Baby, Miami has Mike Miller, Chicago has Korver, Dallas has Terry when Caron was healthy, etc. If we got Crawford for cheap we wouldn't have to worry about getting some production off our bench because he would bring instant offense and decent 'D'.

    Oh, and BTW Raja Bell is washed up. If anyone I'd go after Matt Barnes. Plays 'D', can shoot the 3, and is crazy which every title team needs.
    I made Bell an example more to outline the type of player I'd rather target over Jamal, even though I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you that he's washed up. Matt Barnes would be a great choice too, I agree with you there, I thought the Knicks should have gone after him this past offseason. I just don't think we need any more shot launchers. As much as I appreciated the big shots that Jamal used to make for us you gotta admit his shot selection has been shaky his entire career, we don't really need that on a team with proven scorers like Melo, STAT, Chauncey & a guy like TD who can also get hot in any given game. Yes tonight we struggled for any offense other than Melo who was sensational, but that doesn't make the case to bring Jamal on board if you ask me. Also, Jamal's defense has usually been very shoddy as well, I think what we need more of is defensive minded role players that can knock down open jumpers if we're looking to target perimeter guys. Roger Mason's a FA this summer anyway so we'll be looking for replacements inevitably to shore up our bench depth at the G position. Unless Landry Fields works hard on his shooting off the dribble skills this summer, in which case he could help to fill some of that need for added offense outside of our big 3. But I definitely agree we need a more consistent scoring threat as our 6th man because TD is so hit or miss on a nightly basis. Maybe he just needs to take that next step towards being that this summer & getting more consistent on his J?

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    I made Bell an example more to outline the type of player I'd rather target over Jamal, even though I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you that he's washed up. Matt Barnes would be a great choice too, I agree with you there, I thought the Knicks should have gone after him this past offseason. I just don't think we need any more shot launchers. As much as I appreciated the big shots that Jamal used to make for us you gotta admit his shot selection has been shaky his entire career, we don't really need that on a team with proven scorers like Melo, STAT, Chauncey & a guy like TD who can also get hot in any given game. Yes tonight we struggled for any offense other than Melo who was sensational, but that doesn't make the case to bring Jamal on board if you ask me. Also, Jamal's defense has usually been very shoddy as well, I think what we need more of is defensive minded role players that can knock down open jumpers if we're looking to target perimeter guys. Roger Mason's a FA this summer anyway so we'll be looking for replacements inevitably to shore up our bench depth at the G position. Unless Landry Fields works hard on his shooting off the dribble skills this summer, in which case he could help to fill some of that need for added offense outside of our big 3. But I definitely agree we need a more consistent scoring threat as our 6th man because TD is so hit or miss on a nightly basis. Maybe he just needs to take that next step towards being that this summer & getting more consistent on his J?
    Jamal has gone on to win the 6th Man Of The Year award. Granted I haven't watched him much, but he's been said to be better, maybe much better with his shot selection.

    The thing with Amar'e and Melo is that Amar'e isn't really a threat every night, as in, he doesn't always convert, turns over the ball too much some games. Amar'e still can rebound and block shots though, and still, teams needs to have a game plan defensively for him, so I'm not knocking Amar'e. Jamal would break down defense and score significantly.

    If not Jamal, we still could use a pick n' roll player, but WHO? During the game last night, I saw a couple of times, if Nash was on our team, Amar'e would have gotten the ball and slammed it on somebody. I'm not a basketball expert, but I've seen Nash enough to know those would have resulted in points. Melo did it with Turiaf, but we can't put him at PG, I don't think, especially in situations such as last night. Anybody play good pick n' roll who you think we might be able to draft?

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Jamal has gone on to win the 6th Man Of The Year award. Granted I haven't watched him much, but he's been said to be better, maybe much better with his shot selection.

    The thing with Amar'e and Melo is that Amar'e isn't really a threat every night, as in, he doesn't always convert, turns over the ball too much some games. Amar'e still can rebound and block shots though, and still, teams needs to have a game plan defensively for him, so I'm not knocking Amar'e. Jamal would break down defense and score significantly.

    If not Jamal, we still could use a pick n' roll player, but WHO? During the game last night, I saw a couple of times, if Nash was on our team, Amar'e would have gotten the ball and slammed it on somebody. I'm not a basketball expert, but I've seen Nash enough to know those would have resulted in points. Melo did it with Turiaf, but we can't put him at PG, I don't think, especially in situations such as last night. Anybody play good pick n' roll who you think we might be able to draft?
    I've watched him in several games as a Hawk & he's still taking bad shots on a nightly basis & his defense is still very shoddy. He does get hot & is still a dynamic offensive threat off the bench, no question, but he's very inconsistent as well very reminiscent of Al Harrington in terms of the offense he brought off the bench but also the warts of bad shot selection & lack of commitment to playing quality defense. As opposed to guys like Jamal & Al, I think what this current roster needs more of is guys like Matt Barnes, Kenyon Martin, Raja Bell, Jeff Foster, DeShawn Stevenson, Aaron Afflalo, Reggie Evans, etc., defensively committed & more importantly smart players that know how to play to situations during games. If you're looking for a bigger name than role players like that, maybe Caron Butler would be the perfect 6th man option? JR Smith is also a potential FA this summer but he brings a lot of the same shoddy shot selection & lack of defensive intensity you get out of Jamal, but he does have experience playing with Chauncey & Melo for years & has been successful so he might be a better option if you wanna go the offensive route. There's also Wilson Chandler who is a RFA this summer we might be able to target to bring back to his old stomping grounds in a system he's very familiar with already. But neither Butler, Smith nor Chandler will come cheap.

    As for a G who could run the PnR, someone like Steve Blake via trade (maybe for Turiaf?) or TJ Ford as a FA might be options, though I think MDA has an affection for Toney Douglas & won't soon give up on him as the backup option off the bench anytime soon.

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    If I can get Jamal and Deandre. I'll be a happy camper.
    Billups/Douglas/Carter
    Jamal/Fields/Walker
    Melo/Williams
    Stat/Jeffries
    Jordan/Turiaf

    Looks like a contending team =D. Not sure how the CBA will work though. Gunna have to wait and see

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