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    Media There's No Defense For Mike D'Antoni.

    Now that the broomsticks have been unleashed and it has been emphatically established that the New York Knicks, for all their bluster and bloviating, are nothing more than an average franchise with an exorbitant payroll, it's time to move forward. To put legitimate pieces in place to preserve assets and eliminate liabilities.

    And after watching the Knicks' first-round loss to the Boston Celtics -- how they spent most of Easter weekend stinking up Madison Square Garden before a 36-year-old journeyman point guard nearly came to the rescue -- priority No. 1 is too obvious to ignore any longer:

    Mike D'Antoni has to go.

    It is not easy to call for the exodus of a coach who averaged 58 wins a season in his previous job, who is as kind and decent as they come. Nor does it seem fair to call for the head of a coach who, some would say, helped resurrect this franchise and made the Knicks relevant again. But when players are devoid of respect for a coach's basketball acumen, when the opposition laughs over the transparency of his game plan -- so much so that D'Antoni's players intimated they had instituted their own changes at halftime of a close-out game -- the need for a change simply cannot be denied.

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    The rare display of heart and guts the Knicks exhibited in the second half of Sunday's Game 4 didn't happen just because they started hitting shots and the Celtics suddenly forgot how to defend them. "We got tired of the way things were going," one player explained in the wee hours of Sunday night, long after everyone had departed from the Garden.

    "We walked in at halftime and said 'We can't go out this way.' We were pretty ticked off, especially at us not seeming to have any answers scheme-wise. We knew Boston knew everything we were going to do, how we were going to do it, so we needed to do something differently. We just couldn't keep going the way we were going."

    As coach of the Knicks, D'Antoni deserves credit for inserting Anthony Carter into the game, allowing him to defend Rajon Rondo. He also deserves credit for allowing the team to go zone on occasion, for switching on shooters Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, with Carter serving as the catalyst. But if D'Antoni deserves credit for allowing those things to take place, he also harbors culpability for going a full game-and-a-half without a true point guard on the floor, for making little to no adjustments, for leaving the players to essentially decide for themselves at halftime Sunday that swinging back wouldn't entail just jacking up 3s inside of 10 seconds.

    Notwithstanding the tremendous effort displayed in Games 1 and 2, the New York Knicks cannot play defense, folks! Primarily because schematically it's never important, nor has it ever been a priority in D'Antoni's mind.

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    The same coach who's being paid $6 million per season here was out in Phoenix because he would not heed former Suns executive Steve Kerr's advice that he simply couldn't win a championship with his system. Fast-forward to three full seasons later and nothing has changed.

    There are high pick-and-rolls. There's Amare Stoudemire coming from the corner, getting the ball near the elbow, with everyone and their grandmother knowing that's exactly what is going to occur. Or there's Stoudemire coming from the low block to set screens -- except everyone knows he's getting the ball and that he's not going to set a screen. And intertwined with it all is the arrival of Carmelo Anthony, assigned to doing pretty much the same thing.

    "Coach knows offense," one player explained. "It would be nice to set plays, control pace and not jack up shots just because you're open. But that's what Coach does. You could live with it if we played defense. But obviously, we haven't done that much. Good, bad or otherwise, all I can say is that I've never seen anything like this."

    Who has?

    What team has a 6-foot-9, 230-pound player like Shawne Williams assigned to stand around and shoot 3s? What team has an athlete like Bill Walker, who's 6-6, 220, programmed to do the same? How can such a haphazard, frenetic brand of basketball -- you constantly hear D'Antoni screaming at players to shoot whenever open, no matter how much time is on the shot clock -- be permitted to continue when your $100 million franchise player just completed his ninth season? When Anthony, your other franchise player, just completed his eighth season? When both are signed for more than $80 million apiece over the next four seasons, yet based on the fatigue and injuries, neither looked as if he was physically conditioned to go another game in this series?

    Just as important, what kind of players will you draft if this system remains in place? Knowing D'Antoni won't play guys who don't fit in?

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    The New York Knicks need a coach -- not a system. Coaches smirk at the luxury of preparing a game plan against it. Even folks like Charles Barkley have characterized D'Antoni's refusal to recognize the futility of his ways as "pure stubbornness."

    This city will have plenty of time to debate the future of Donnie Walsh as the president of the franchise, and whether he should stay so he can hire former St. John's star and present ESPN/ABC analyst Mark Jackson -- or whether MSG chairman James Dolan should let Walsh go and offer the coaching job and all of the basketball operations to a man in the last year of his deal, who just finished beating up on the Knicks: Celtics coach Doc Rivers.

    What's not open for debate is that it's time for D'Antoni to go.

    Lest we want Amare and Melo to expire a helluva lot quicker than their contracts will.

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    As a practical matter - couldn't this have gone in the other thread you made on this topic just yesterday?

    As a matter pertaining to this article in particular - I think Stephen A. Smith is a grade-A unadulterated moron, regardless of topic.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    As a practical matter - couldn't this have gone in the other thread you made on this topic just yesterday?

    As a matter pertaining to this article in particular - I think Stephen A. Smith is a grade-A unadulterated moron, regardless of topic.
    No.

    Its a must read.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    No.

    Its a must read.
    Nothing Stephen A. Smith has ever written is a must read. He's a moron known for overreacting...I thought he was funny 8 years ago when he would make an ass of himself on television screaming about Allen Iverson. Now that I have grown up past my teens, I realize he's just a raving lunatic.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Nothing Stephen A. Smith has ever written is a must read. He's a moron known for overreacting...I thought he was funny 8 years ago when he would make an ass of himself on television screaming about Allen Iverson. Now that I have grown up past my teens, I realize he's just a raving lunatic.
    I normally would agree with you, but Stephen A Smith hit the bullseye with this article. There are many so-called experts and NBA analysts that are divided in the "should D'Antoni go" debate. And he tends to go overboard, but I agree with him wholeheartedly. D'Antoni's coaching style is not suited for the NBA at all. Why prolong the inevitable and keep D'Antoni for another year because he didn't have a full roster.

    I was actually secretly hoping for blowout loses so that D'Antoni could be on the hot seat. And now that he is, I hope that some coach, like Jerry Sloan, who is an absolute basketball genius, emerges as a frontrunner as the new Knicks coach.

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    I normally would agree with you, but Stephen A Smith hit the bullseye with this article. There are many so-called experts and NBA analysts that are divided in the "should D'Antoni go" debate. And he tends to go overboard, but I agree with him wholeheartedly. D'Antoni's coaching style is not suited for the NBA at all. Why prolong the inevitable and keep D'Antoni for another year because he didn't have a full roster.

    I was actually secretly hoping for blowout loses so that D'Antoni could be on the hot seat. And now that he is, I hope that some coach, like Jerry Sloan, who is an absolute basketball genius, emerges as a frontrunner as the new Knicks coach.
    So you were hoping our team got embarrassed in the first round? Some fan you are...

    The point I was making was that this article didn't merit its own topic when there are thousands of others on here where it could have fit. In fact, no Stephen A. Smith article that is boring and uninteresting (like this one, and all the ones he writes) deserves its own thread, unless he brings something new to the table (which is never).

    This topic clearly was posted (as the OP has clearly done within 3 replies on this thread) for Red to continue jacking himself off, as he does frequently on this site.

    Nothing Stephen A. has brought to the table, in this or in any article, has in any way changed or made me reconsider my opinion (and I think that's the same with everyone else on here). Thus, this thread will just become a rehash of the same exact things that have been reiterated over and over and over again on this website.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Nothing Stephen A. Smith has ever written is a must read. He's a moron known for overreacting...I thought he was funny 8 years ago when he would make an ass of himself on television screaming about Allen Iverson. Now that I have grown up past my teens, I realize he's just a raving lunatic.
    Steven A is obnoxious but he is a good basketball analyst. He just makes strong opinions but he made predictions that came true and I agree with his assessment of Mike D.

    Mike D might teach defense but he can't get it across to his players to play defense at a decent level consistently. Which means that he really has no defensive scheme. And frankly it tells me that nomatter what lineup whether it's in Phoenix, our bad knick team for 2 years, and this new team...his teams don't play defense and since he has been here we have always had energy problems with players.

    So either he is tiring players out, which i doubt because they are exceptional NBA athletes, or the players don't care enough or buy into his system enough to trust him and bust their ass every night. That is a red flag which means that Donnie should REALLY consider a new coach.

    But I know this won't happen.

    The stars are aligned for the Knicks to drag out stupidity and waste another year with Mike D as coach.

    We can't waste time with Amare and Melo in their prime but NY has had a curse over them since the year 2000 hit....i wish it was the early 90's again...even the 70's atleast we could execute back then.

    The fact that Mike D is one of the worst coaches I have ever seen execute last minute plays tells me he can't adjust to games.

    He has a plan and it has to go according to his plan or everything goes haywire.

    He loves his short rotations which hurt us in the long run, having players speak for him to show leadership, expect players to just know defense without being taught it in practice, expect players to make every shot when you don't utilize screens or have more set plays, just being naive is what he is.

    We need a new coach.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Steven A is obnoxious but he is a good basketball analyst. He just makes strong opinions but he made predictions that came true and I agree with his assessment of Mike D.
    Disagree.

    You might agree with his opinion. But he masks his elementary and pretty simplistic opinions with strong, aggressive language. He never brings any sort of interesting insight, his shtick is taking an opinion anyone could have, and citing in support of his opinion the reasons that anyone can see, but using aggressive verbiage to make himself sound more knowledgeable than he is.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Steven A is obnoxious but he is a good basketball analyst. He just makes strong opinions but he made predictions that came true and I agree with his assessment of Mike D.
    Yeah, he does have the inside track with the players and it was interesting to hear there is some dissension on the team. Wonder who that unnamed player was who said "he's never seen anything like this before".

    I think you're right Paul, D'Antoni gets to coach another year but he will be on a short leash. He's a losing streak and a MSG chant of "fire D'Antoni" away from losing his job, his shortcomings are pretty obvious.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    As a practical matter - couldn't this have gone in the other thread you made on this topic just yesterday?

    As a matter pertaining to this article in particular - I think Stephen A. Smith is a grade-A unadulterated moron, regardless of topic.
    Stephen A. is better at writing than D'Antoni is at coaching.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Stephen A. is better at writing than D'Antoni is at coaching.
    The way you feel about D'Antoni, that isn't saying much. He may be a good writer (like Kornheiser or Wilbon) but that doesn't mean (like Kornheiser and Wilbon) he has a unique, interesting, educated opinion. It just means he can use eccentric verbiage (see what I did there?) in a vain attempt to make a point. He never brings a unique or interesting viewpoint to the table...

    Give me Woj, Whitlock or Simmons any day of the week. ****, give me Scoop Jackson - who actually is a good writer with a unique and interesting viewpoint.

    Just b/c Stephen A. Smith is loud does not mean his opinions are at all interesting, unique or deep. He's a shallow man with shallow opinions with a bevy of vocabulary in his arsenal. That's it.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    As a practical matter - couldn't this have gone in the other thread you made on this topic just yesterday?

    As a matter pertaining to this article in particular - I think Stephen A. Smith is a grade-A unadulterated moron, regardless of topic.
    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    The way you feel about D'Antoni, that isn't saying much. He may be a good writer (like Kornheiser or Wilbon) but that doesn't mean (like Kornheiser and Wilbon) he has a unique, interesting, educated opinion. It just means he can use eccentric verbiage (see what I did there?) in a vain attempt to make a point. He never brings a unique or interesting viewpoint to the table...

    Give me Woj, Whitlock or Simmons any day of the week. ****, give me Scoop Jackson - who actually is a good writer with a unique and interesting viewpoint.

    Just b/c Stephen A. Smith is loud does not mean his opinions are at all interesting, unique or deep. He's a shallow man with shallow opinions with a bevy of vocabulary in his arsenal. That's it.
    Is this about Stephen or Mike? Stay focused and get it together you older than a teen supporter.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Is this about Stephen or Mike? Stay focused and get it together you older than a teen supporter.
    It's about posting this ridiculous article and people thinking that Stephen A. Smith, who has a job simply b/c he is a good public speaker, brings anything unique or interesting to the table. Nothing in that article, if you follow the team or watch the game is new or revelatory and it's obvious you posted it so uneducated, moronic fans who blindly follow the misguided and uninspired words of Stephen A. Smith simply because of who he is (as opposed to what he says) would have something else to talk about (which is why it belongs, for aesthetic purposes, in the other thread)....

    Seriously, what in that article is new or revelatory or even the least bit interesting?

    It's obvious from your immediate post after you posted this article to "brag" about "what you know"...that's the whole point of this thread. Great. Congrats. Stephen A. Smith agrees with you. Your post above mentions nothing about what Stephen A. Smith said, breaking down his "analysis" (if there is any to be had, and with Stephen A., usually there is none)...your post talked about you, and your opinion. Again. Like the thread you posted yesterday.

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    Thank you Stephen.

    I won't stop until I see him gone. Be as ignorant as you want. Be as permitting as you'd like. I could care less.


    F*ck every excuse and reason you formulate...

    You can never convince me different of what my eye's see, and my mind analyzes.

    As Tom Cruise said in A few Good Men...

    Don't try and tell me the law. If there's anything I know, I know the law.

    And I know Basketball.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Thank you Stephen.

    I won't stop until I see him gone. Be as ignorant as you want. Be as permitting as you'd like. I could care less.


    F*ck every excuse and reason you formulate...

    You can never convince me different of what my eye's see, and my mind analyzes.

    As Tom Cruise said in A few Good Men...

    Don't try and tell me the law. If there's anything I know, I know the law.

    And I know Basketball.
    Co-sign. Antoni's going to get put in a ziplock bag and thrown in a dumpster.

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