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    Originally Posted by Red
    Word? You saw these players give their opinions after being bounced from the playoffs? Where?

    And Word... you make sure to only read articles from authors who are up to your standards? For real?

    Cause if not they have no relevance right?

    Ok then show us ubber writing abilities. We'll wait for your master piece. Commenting aside.
    No, I make sure not to read articles from people I think have no interesting, or smart opinions. These include Stephen A., Mike Wilbon, Tony Kornheiser...

    And yes, I have seen players give their opinions:

    Real, NAMED players..with REAL attributable quotes. Not "sources", not unnamed "players"...real actual commentary. Hahn posted several comments from a presser on Twitter this afternoon.

    If you want ACTUAL player attribution - real quotes with real meaning behind them (i.e. not from unnamed players) hit this up: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    No, I make sure not to read articles from people I think have no interesting, or smart opinions. These include Stephen A., Mike Wilbon, Tony Kornheiser...

    And yes, I have seen players give their opinions:

    Real, NAMED players..with REAL attributable quotes. Not "sources", not unnamed "players"...real actual commentary. Hahn posted several comments from a presser on Twitter this afternoon.

    If you want ACTUAL player attribution - real quotes with real meaning behind them (i.e. not from unnamed players) hit this up: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    Allow me to make this thread more than just a PM.

    Nice article. Again the players are not exactly sticking up for MDA but meh who cares I'm sure they are not gonna make any rash remarks. I honestly think MDA will go or this will be his final year and if it is his final year I say replace him now (why not?).

    Good to see AC suggesting he wants to come back to NY. Good to see Stat and Melo showing leadership not only in their game.

    Now the interesting thing: Did you see we only have five days remaining to decide on whether to buy out Billups? I would have assumed that would happen later in the offseason. So yeah, I guess we'll have a good idea of the way our offseason is shaping up within the next week, which is promising.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Allow me to make this thread more than just a PM.

    Nice article. Again the players are not exactly sticking up for MDA but meh who cares I'm sure they are not gonna make any rash remarks. I honestly think MDA will go or this will be his final year and if it is his final year I say replace him now (why not?).

    Good to see AC suggesting he wants to come back to NY. Good to see Stat and Melo showing leadership not only in their game.

    Now the interesting thing: Did you see we only have five days remaining to decide on whether to buy out Billups? I would have assumed that would happen later in the offseason. So yeah, I guess we'll have a good idea of the way our offseason is shaping up within the next week, which is promising.
    To answer your question as to "Why not": I'm assuming MDA has a buyout or some sort of clause where he is guaranteed a large %age of his money if he is fired - If we let him go, that just means we have to hire and pay a SECOND head coach, likely slashing the budget we WOULD have next year for a head coach...if that makes sense.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    To answer your question as to "Why not": I'm assuming MDA has a buyout or some sort of clause where he is guaranteed a large %age of his money if he is fired - If we let him go, that just means we have to hire and pay a SECOND head coach, likely slashing the budget we WOULD have next year for a head coach...if that makes sense.
    That does make sense and I forgot that there is actually a salary cap on coaching staff I only learned that recently and continued to think we will just have infinite cablevision money to throw at whoever is available.

    Still if we can get the head coach we want within our cap then we have even more "coach cap" in 2012 to fill up with worthwhile assistants!

    I honestly have such little knowledge of that stuff that I can't say for sure but circumstances allowing I would prefer to get our new coach/players gelling together asap.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    That does make sense and I forgot that there is actually a salary cap on coaching staff I only learned that recently and continued to think we will just have infinite cablevision money to throw at whoever is available.

    Still if we can get the head coach we want within our cap then we have even more "coach cap" in 2012 to fill up with worthwhile assistants!

    I honestly have such little knowledge of that stuff that I can't say for sure but circumstances allowing I would prefer to get our new coach/players gelling together asap.
    I'm not sure if it's a cap - but there's probably a self imposed budget, you know what I mean? Like Dolan doesn't want to pay $12 million for one coach (6 to D'Antoni 6 to someone else)...to get a guy that we want (Adelman, Jax, Rivers) - we need to probably break the bank. Fact is, we are probably waiting - though it is possible Isiah has a replacement in mind...

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    Regardless of wehter this guy is a good writer or not you cannot deny the facts. D`Antoni is a moron who has to go.

    The same plays over and over again. No D, no rebounding, stupid rotations, the list is endless.

    I cannoy understand why any Knicks fan is still standing up for no D-Toni. I can only assume that they don`t actually watch Knicks games.

    If we keep no D-Toni next season will be exactly the same as this.

    GET HIM OUT NOW !!

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Nothing Stephen A. Smith has ever written is a must read. He's a moron known for overreacting...I thought he was funny 8 years ago when he would make an ass of himself on television screaming about Allen Iverson. Now that I have grown up past my teens, I realize he's just a raving lunatic.
    I normally would agree with you, but Stephen A Smith hit the bullseye with this article. There are many so-called experts and NBA analysts that are divided in the "should D'Antoni go" debate. And he tends to go overboard, but I agree with him wholeheartedly. D'Antoni's coaching style is not suited for the NBA at all. Why prolong the inevitable and keep D'Antoni for another year because he didn't have a full roster.

    I was actually secretly hoping for blowout loses so that D'Antoni could be on the hot seat. And now that he is, I hope that some coach, like Jerry Sloan, who is an absolute basketball genius, emerges as a frontrunner as the new Knicks coach.

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    Originally Posted by Scipio
    Regardless of wehter this guy is a good writer or not you cannot deny the facts. D`Antoni is a moron who has to go.

    The same plays over and over again. No D, no rebounding, stupid rotations, the list is endless.

    I cannoy understand why any Knicks fan is still standing up for no D-Toni. I can only assume that they don`t actually watch Knicks games.

    If we keep no D-Toni next season will be exactly the same as this.

    GET HIM OUT NOW !!
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    who cares about whether you respect Stephen as a writer or not.

    Whether or not the points he made have been heard before doesnt matter, what does matter is they hold true and have once again been shown in this playoff series. In addition we now have players expressing the same sentiments. That was the entire point of the article. The problems are prevalent and frustrating the players on this team.

    The point is Mike who is supposedly a great offfensive coach cant even put together a game plan that isn't easily figured out by the opposition, and when said game plan is he is unable to make the necessary adjustments.

    We all know about his inability to teach defense. Stat pointed out months ago he didn't learn defense until he was coached by someone else. there's an old adage in sports that defense wins championships and it holds true. If hes struggling to put together a proper game plan on offense in addition to his inability to teach defense its time to move on. We can't keep wasting our players primed years with a flawed system

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    Originally Posted by goldenchild1688
    co-sign

    who cares about whether you respect Stephen as a writer or not.

    Whether or not the points he made have been heard before doesnt matter, what does matter is they hold true and have once again been shown in this playoff series. In addition we now have players expressing the same sentiments. That was the entire point of the article. The problems are prevalent and frustrating the players on this team.

    The point is Mike who is supposedly a great offfensive coach cant even put together a game plan that isn't easily figured out by the opposition, and when said game plan is he is unable to make the necessary adjustments.

    We all know about his inability to teach defense. Stat pointed out months ago he didn't learn defense until he was coached by someone else. there's an old adage in sports that defense wins championships and it holds true. If hes struggling to put together a proper game plan on offense in addition to his inability to teach defense its time to move on. We can't keep wasting our players primed years with a flawed system
    Best post I`ve seen on here for a long while. You have pointed out the things that lovers of no D-Toni just are too blind to see.

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    Jeff Van Gundy needs to come back. No other coach but JVG, with Pat as our assistant. It would be like going home, for everyone but 'Antoni.

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    No reason to fire Mike D at this point. Unless you have a plan B named Phil Jackson.

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    They just don’t know how to win, which, of course, is a direct reflection of the head coach. MDA's coaching style of “we’re going to do everything possible to push tempo and outscore you” is a fun system that produces excitement and some regular season wins.

    But, in a league where you simply cannot win without consistent defense, MDA needs to be fired in order for us to ever win a championship.

    Winning games in the playoffs is predicated off of half-court execution and defense. All Boston did was not allow our players to run.

    The C's made them play in a slow game, in which they can't win in.

    The C’s did what every good team in the playoffs has always done to D’Antoni teams.. make them play defense.

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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    I normally would agree with you, but Stephen A Smith hit the bullseye with this article. There are many so-called experts and NBA analysts that are divided in the "should D'Antoni go" debate. And he tends to go overboard, but I agree with him wholeheartedly. D'Antoni's coaching style is not suited for the NBA at all. Why prolong the inevitable and keep D'Antoni for another year because he didn't have a full roster.

    I was actually secretly hoping for blowout loses so that D'Antoni could be on the hot seat. And now that he is, I hope that some coach, like Jerry Sloan, who is an absolute basketball genius, emerges as a frontrunner as the new Knicks coach.
    So you were hoping our team got embarrassed in the first round? Some fan you are...

    The point I was making was that this article didn't merit its own topic when there are thousands of others on here where it could have fit. In fact, no Stephen A. Smith article that is boring and uninteresting (like this one, and all the ones he writes) deserves its own thread, unless he brings something new to the table (which is never).

    This topic clearly was posted (as the OP has clearly done within 3 replies on this thread) for Red to continue jacking himself off, as he does frequently on this site.

    Nothing Stephen A. has brought to the table, in this or in any article, has in any way changed or made me reconsider my opinion (and I think that's the same with everyone else on here). Thus, this thread will just become a rehash of the same exact things that have been reiterated over and over and over again on this website.

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    Knowing that we are in a rebuilding stage, Aaannnnnnddd... If I knew we were going to get swept... I probably would of settle for a higher draft pick before a post season appearance...

    The good thing was coach's obvious flaws were exposed. So I'm expecting (atleast) that aspect of the game will be addressed and retified. We don't just be chanting that **** for our health you know...

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Nothing Stephen A. Smith has ever written is a must read. He's a moron known for overreacting...I thought he was funny 8 years ago when he would make an ass of himself on television screaming about Allen Iverson. Now that I have grown up past my teens, I realize he's just a raving lunatic.
    Steven A is obnoxious but he is a good basketball analyst. He just makes strong opinions but he made predictions that came true and I agree with his assessment of Mike D.

    Mike D might teach defense but he can't get it across to his players to play defense at a decent level consistently. Which means that he really has no defensive scheme. And frankly it tells me that nomatter what lineup whether it's in Phoenix, our bad knick team for 2 years, and this new team...his teams don't play defense and since he has been here we have always had energy problems with players.

    So either he is tiring players out, which i doubt because they are exceptional NBA athletes, or the players don't care enough or buy into his system enough to trust him and bust their ass every night. That is a red flag which means that Donnie should REALLY consider a new coach.

    But I know this won't happen.

    The stars are aligned for the Knicks to drag out stupidity and waste another year with Mike D as coach.

    We can't waste time with Amare and Melo in their prime but NY has had a curse over them since the year 2000 hit....i wish it was the early 90's again...even the 70's atleast we could execute back then.

    The fact that Mike D is one of the worst coaches I have ever seen execute last minute plays tells me he can't adjust to games.

    He has a plan and it has to go according to his plan or everything goes haywire.

    He loves his short rotations which hurt us in the long run, having players speak for him to show leadership, expect players to just know defense without being taught it in practice, expect players to make every shot when you don't utilize screens or have more set plays, just being naive is what he is.

    We need a new coach.

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