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    Originally Posted by Red
    Thank you Stephen.

    I won't stop until I see him gone. Be as ignorant as you want. Be as permitting as you'd like. I could care less.


    F*ck every excuse and reason you formulate...

    You can never convince me different of what my eye's see, and my mind analyzes.

    As Tom Cruise said in A few Good Men...

    Don't try and tell me the law. If there's anything I know, I know the law.

    And I know Basketball.
    Co-sign. Antoni's going to get put in a ziplock bag and thrown in a dumpster.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Many people will also point to Carmelo’s refusal to foul Delonte West on the ensuing Celtics possession following Jeffries’ mishap. Once again, let’s be fair: This is two-sided. Melo had to know he needed to commit that foul -- that is just basketball 101. The 9th graders I coach know to make that foul. But then again, why was he even in the game to begin with?

    Anthony had five fouls. He shouldn’t have been anywhere guarding the backcourt. That responsibility should have gone to someone else.
    This all points to a general & alarming pattern of a terrible lack of attention to detail by this head coach at the end of games. For him not to have realized his star player had 5 fouls & not having someone else guard the backcourt is inexcusable, particularly in a playoff situation.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    This all points to a general & alarming pattern of a terrible lack of attention to detail by this head coach at the end of games. For him not to have realized his star player had 5 fouls & not having someone else guard the backcourt is inexcusable, particularly in a playoff situation.
    Yup.

    He did that because he had an incomplete roster, with flux, and injuries...

    Smh...

    How anyone can support this going forward is beyond me. Do you not expect to see more of the same?

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    Beyond the fact that Dantoni either refuses or is incapable of adjusting to the players he has, which should be an acknowledged fact by now...

    I have a simple test: With the players we had this year, I don't believe Dantoni or his system had any impact on our .500ish record above what any other coach would have. Dantoni as a coach did not make us better. Any coach should have been able to finish about 42-40.

    A good coach, who has the adaptability to adjust and play to the strengths and weaknesses of the roster, in my opinion, would have been able to improve on our record.

    Obviously, this can not be objectively proved. But ask yourselves two questions: 1) With the players we had this year, shouldn't and couldn't virtually any NBA-caliber head coach achieved a 42-40 record? 2) If so, why not hire one that has the flexibility to adjust to the roster, and theoretically maximize the players' impact?

    Dantoni is inflexible in his system and philosophy, his rigid style does not maximize the talent of the roster, and I argue that almost any other NBA-caliber coach could do better.

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    Yeah, he does have the inside track with the players and it was interesting to hear there is some dissension on the team. Wonder who that unnamed player was who said "he's never seen anything like this before".

    I think you're right Paul, D'Antoni gets to coach another year but he will be on a short leash. He's a losing streak and a MSG chant of "fire D'Antoni" away from losing his job, his shortcomings are pretty obvious.
    I know Mike D will get another chance and honestly I feel like he has been given a break for years.

    Any other coach would have been fired a while ago but he had his excuses to get him by and frankly I feel that he is still the Knicks coach because Donnie Walsh didn't want to fire him before his contract ended which would have made him look bad which would have him not come back for the extension. So you have to look at it many ways to realize that Mike D has gotten a pass and it's really not fair, especially when you are in NY.

    He has one more shot.

    He has a training camp and off season with Amare, Anthony, and Billups...I expect more wins but I think the same result will happen.

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    Fellas this is the true Test:

    Could MOA take Boston or Chicago and win as many games? Highly unlikely.

    Could Thibs or Rivers do better than MOA did with the Knicks? MOST DEFINITELY.

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Fellas this is the true Test:

    Could MOA take Boston or Chicago and win as many games? Highly unlikely.

    Could Thibs or Rivers do better than MOA did with the Knicks? MOST DEFINITELY.
    Tried to give some rep points, but I couldn't. I don't think anyone on this board would disagree with you.

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    Originally Posted by Clyde & The Pearl
    Fellas this is the true Test:

    Could MOA take Boston or Chicago and win as many games? Highly unlikely.

    Could Thibs or Rivers do better than MOA did with the Knicks? MOST DEFINITELY.

    I don't get the fascination with Doc Rivers...I honestly don't think he's a good coach, and he was on the verge of being fired until he got Tom Thibodeau (who I think is a good coach) and his 3 other all-stars.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Yup.

    He did that because he had an incomplete roster, with flux, and injuries...

    Smh...

    How anyone can support this going forward is beyond me. Do you not expect to see more of the same?
    I can't even count how many times this coach failed to make the most obvious of decisions in crunchtime of games, particularly in the closing seconds. Being ahead by 3 & not fouling the opposing player with 2 or 3 seconds left in the game to get them to the foul line for instance. This happened at least twice this season. This coach is simply way too stubborn, he has no interest in trying to change his approach to adjust to game situations. He has only 1 mindset that he's capable of projecting during games, & that is to push the ball uptempo & launch up as many shots as you possibly can.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    I don't get the fascination with Doc Rivers...I honestly don't think he's a good coach, and he was on the verge of being fired until he got Tom Thibodeau (who I think is a good coach) and his 3 other all-stars.
    Thibbs was there the year before they got their "big 3," and if that's the logic we're using....MDA got a top 3 PF, and a top 3 SF, in their primes and dominant...and we had a losing streak of what, 6 or 7 games, and went 14-14 in the time span they were teammates.

    The Celtics started out like 20-3 in their chip season.

    I won't even get into the details about their defense masking any growing pains because like that saying goes "If I score I might win, but if they don't score I can't lose" I'll leave that alone, and I'll just say this:

    Your logic = Doc Rivers overrated because KG, Pierce, and Allen were the reason for that team's success.

    So by that definition what does that say about Mike?

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    Regardless of what you might think about Rivers, he clearly outcoached Mike D'Antoni in the series.

    Either way it doesn't bode well for D'Antoni. If Rivers is actually a good coach, then D'Antoni isn't good enough to compete in the East against better coaches, which I think we've seen by now. If Rivers is actually a terrible coach, that means we got burned by a bad coach, which means D'Antoni sucks ass...

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    I'll also add this.

    Doc River may be overrated to some, that's a subjective opinion, but his philosophy seems to be spot on. It mirrors that of several other championship teams that we've seen in the past, and it's produced a championship. Of course all of this occurred after his team acquired the players needed to win....but it's also got him to the Finals twice in 3 years.

    MDA had "his players" in Phoenix and it produced a "maybe we could have advanced to the Finals if it weren't for the refs".....Avery Johnson has been to the Finals more times than MDA and he's the coach of the NJ Nets. Some people can't understand the fascination with Doc Rivers?????? I can't understand what the **** MDA has done. period.

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    I dont know how good Doc Rivers is. But he is demanding of his players and he holds them accountable. The players love Doc Rivers. They would run through the wall for him.

    I think players like Dantoni, but they dont love him. You know what I'm saying. Players love Phil Jackson, players love Doug Collins. Not Dantoni. He doesnt inspire his players.

    Now Doc and Phil Jackson have had players that held themselves and their teammates accountable.

    Melo and STAT dont do that. We need a coach with a resume and when he walks into a room he demands respect.

    That doesnt happen for Dantoni.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Thibbs was there the year before they got their "big 3," and if that's the logic we're using....MDA got a top 3 PF, and a top 3 SF, in their primes and dominant...and we had a losing streak of what, 6 or 7 games, and went 14-14 in the time span they were teammates.

    The Celtics started out like 20-3 in their chip season.

    I won't even get into the details about their defense masking any growing pains because like that saying goes "If I score I might win, but if they don't score I can't lose" I'll leave that alone, and I'll just say this:

    Your logic = Doc Rivers overrated because KG, Pierce, and Allen were the reason for that team's success.

    So by that definition what does that say about Mike?
    It says they're both run-of-the-mill coaches who need great players just like every other coach.

    The comparison makes no sense tho..

    We got Melo and Amare together w thirty or so games left in the season. No training camp, no time to get used to playing together, just some real, live NBA comp to get out there and make it work against.

    The Celts and Doc Rivers got there big three in the offseason. They had time to get everybody on the same page in training camp and preseason, and their collective talent level and chemistry were just off the charts which sorta surprised the league IMO.

    Our team needed some time to adjust to losing 4 players. The also needed time together to get used to Melo's rhythm. Billups needed time to get to know where everybody likes the ball, how coach wanted him to play etc.. Just a horrible compare/contrast if your trying to make an argument for one style of coaching over another because you're excluding other pertinent factors.
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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    It says they're both run-of-the-mill coaches who need great players just like every other coach.

    The comparison makes no sense tho..

    We got Melo and Amare together w thirty or so games left in the season. No training camp, no time to get used to playing together, just some real, live NBA comp to get out there and make it work against.

    The Celts and Doc Rivers got there big three in the offseason. They had time to get everybody on the same page in training camp and preseason, and their collective talent level and chemistry were just off the charts which sorta surprised the league IMO.

    Our team needed some time to adjust to losing 4 players. The also needed time together to get used to Melo's rhythm. Billups needed time to get to know where everybody likes the ball, how coach wanted him to play etc.. Just a horrible compare/contrast if your trying to make an argument for one style of coaching over another because you're excluding other pertinent factors.
    These are just excuses. The fact of the matter is that we could have won games in the playoffs if it were not for MDA's poor end of the game coaching, poor player rotations, and worse defensive schemes.

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