I like the players the Knicks have now, but the Knicks need a defensive minded coach, and I think the Knicks really messed up in the '08 and '09 draft.
Last edited by abcd; May 08, 2011 at 19:58.
I understand the sentiment, talent wise we got burned short-term trading Zach for Tim Thomas (who I hate more than any player in the league) and Mobley...and hated the swapping first rounders (though it didn't matter) and the pick next year for McGraady to clear room.
But long-term we benefitted talent wise BECAUSE we cleared room.
The Knicks would have still gotten the capspace they needed, had they got rid of Quentin Richardson, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, and Eddy Curry. Those guys alone combined for 33 million dollars in contracts. Randolph and Crawford combined for 20 million dollars in contracts.
If you notice, none of the above players mentioned are on the team. Walsh managed to trade Jerome James, Quentin Richardson, and Jared Jeffries(25 million dollars worth of garbage). So that means Walsh definitely could have gotten rid of those guys and kept ZBo.
Walsh just bought into what the media said and assumed he was a cancer. He made a mistake.
I like some of the things Walsh has done, but a lot of his decisions are questionable.
Drafting Gallinari in '08 over Brook Lopez and Roy Hibbert. The Knicks still don't have a center.
Drafting Jordan Hill over Brandon Jennings.
Trading 2 first round picks for Tracy McGrady(washed up edition).
Trading Randolph for nothing, instead of being patient and getting rid of Quentin Richardson and Jerome James instead(which he managed to do later on anyways).
Last edited by abcd; May 09, 2011 at 10:13.
And the 2010 plan was all about greed. Walsh wanted to instantly buy a championship. He could have kept the best players on the Knicks and saved up for 1 max contract instead of 2.
His stated goal coming in was to gain back cap flexibility that Isiah had lost us.
No he couldn't have done that...mostly b/c most of the guys you mention were essentially untradeable before the 2010 offseason.Originally Posted by abcd
Randolph costs less because he isn't as good. I'm not saying Randolph is bad - but the fact is Randolph isn't a gamechanger to the extent Amare is. Do you think that this team would have done as well if you replace Amare with ZBo early in the year, when STAT carried this entire team on his back? Hell, would Carmelo have demanded to come here to play with ZBo?
Yes, it would have been nice to dump Curry instead of Randolph. But nobody was going to take on Curry b/c it was essentially lost money on a non-expiring deal. We lost the best players on our team because (surprise!) they were the best players on the team. Teams aren't just going to take on OUR ****ty contracts for no reason...teams WERE willing to take on extended deals for Z-Bo and Crawford BECAUSE they were good...
It's not all about getting big names. It's about building chemistry between players.
Zach Randolph, Wilson Chandler, and Jamal Crawford had experience on the Knicks. They knew what was expected of them.
Passing up on Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, and Brandon Jennings is inexcusable.
The Knicks could have still signed another Max contract, had they kept Randolph. All they had to do was dump Quentin Richardson, Jerome James, and Jared Jeffries which they were able to do shortly after dumping Randolph for crumbs.
Being that Walsh was able to dump Quentin Richardson, Jerome James, and Jared Jeffries PRIOR to 2010, that shows Walsh just needed to be patient and the Knicks could have had a good core of players who had experience playing together, instead of having to start from scratch like how they're doing now.
I like Stoudemire, Anthony, and Billups, but this team is built with guys who barely know each other and are going to have to spend AT LEAST another 2 years together before they can legitimately be contenders. And that is a big if, considering Stoudemire has bad knees and might not even make it that long.
But the only reason we traded Jerome James is b/c we also gave the Bulls Tim Thomas, who we traded for Z-Bo...
I'm not saying Z-Bo is bad, quite the opposite - but the fact is to be major players in 2010 he unfortunately needed to go.
We wouldn't have STAT and Melo if we kept Crawford and ZBo...
And can we please PLEASE get off the Brook Lopez hype...I know you have been a fan of him, but the fact is he is a 7 footer that refuses to rebound, he's not that good - 6 rebounds per game in 35 minutes per game for a 7 foot CENTER is embarssing. Hibbert I like, but he started getting much better this year post-being-diagnosed-with-asthma and cutting down his body fat by an insane amount, he was slow up and down the court out of college and I think Walsh feared Curry 2.0.
Not that any of that would matter - Lopez, Hibbert or Jennings would be Nuggets now anyway.
And I'm not doubting Walsh got a little overzealous - but he came here with the intent in mind to get under the cap and maintain flexibility. Honestly, if teams weren't willing to just give Chicago and Miami room under the cap for no reason, we would have stood a better shot at Wade and James - unfortunately at the draft it was obvious teams were all too eager to take Chicago and Miami's players and contracts for no reason...but this was well after the 2010 game was under way.
Last edited by KBlack25; May 09, 2011 at 13:53.
I saw Brook Lopez this season, because I have Yes! Network.
He is a future all star. Don't just look at boxscores and stats. If you watch the guy play, he has skills. He is the most skilled post up center in the NBA. His shotblocking is good. His rebounding did drop, but that had a lot to do with his injury plus Humphries was grabbing almost 12 boards per game.