Okafor is making 72 million.
Forget pursuing Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan (as much as I like them) for too much money.
I would concentrate on trading a player for a late first round draft pick. Everyone is expendable in this regard except Stat, Melo, Billups, and Fields.
Then I would pick Kenneth Faried at #17 and Lucas Noguiera at #20-something.
Then I would sign Dalembert for the MLE, preferably only a one or two year deal. I would bring Jerome Jordan back from Europe and now you have four bigs with rebounding, shot blocking, and defensive ability (one veteran, three young projects). For very little money.
Sign a veteran point guard who is a distributor and defender, but not a scorer, for the veteran's minimum. Maybe Shawn Williams and Anthony Carter also at veteran's minimum, or the equivalent role players out there.
Then trade Billups and Dalembert (before, at, or after the trade deadline next Spring) for Chris Paul and Okafor. You probably need to add a solid role player or two (possibly including one of the young bigs) into the deal, but I do not care who at that point.
You end up with:
C E Okafor
PF A Stoudamire
SF C Anthony
SG L Fields
PG C Paul
as your starting five, with some young defensive bigs and veteran backcourt backups.
Does ANYONE have a problem with that?
Okafor is making 72 million.
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> Okafor is making 72 million
So what? I am not jumping for joy at taking Okafor. I prefer Noguiera in the long-run, and Dalembert in the short-run.
However, we are not getting Chris Paul for nothing, so I expect we need to take Okafor back. If we can swing Okafor going to some other team in a three-way, I would not be crying. However, we would need two of Jordan, Faried, or Noguiera to develop more quickly than I expect, or pick up another veteran big if Okafor goes somewhere else.
Of course, maybe you are saying that we would have problems making the deal work because Billups and Dalembert would be making too little money coming back.
That is difficult to figure out now (until the new CBA), but I assumed there would be Knick throw-ins of some good role players with mid-level contracts. I am also assuming that the new CBA would have to have some major trade exceptions, to deal with all the grandfathered contracts on the old wage scale.
Or maybe you are saying that we should take Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan at any price because we will end up trading them for Okafor and so we need a larger contract and a more attractive player.
There is some logic to that scenario, but some major risks as well; should the Chris Paul / Emeka Okafor deal fail for some other reason.
If you plan to get a more expensive big then you would presumably draft a guard this year. I would be willing to do that if I had a lottery pick, or as the #20-something pick if we trade for a second pick this year. But I would not want to walk away from this draft without at least one of Faried or Noguiera; and not a top point guard prospect either.
Dalembert is probably going to be making 3-5 million as well as Turiaf at 4 million. That seems like enough base salary to swing a deal with the Hornets for CP3 and Okafor.
Last edited by nixon7; May 13, 2011 at 14:32. Reason: clarficiation
You seem to be implying a hard cap. If the new CBA has a hard cap, they would have to break up the Heat and Lakers. Not going to happen.
Under a soft cap, we can have three max contracts and Okafor, so long as we stay within the differential on the trade numbers. Chris Paul and Billups have close to identical contracts. At the trade deadline that is all that matters. In the summer of 2012, they could continue to match on the mutual sign-and-trades, whatever the new (reduced) max contract is, but that might not even be necessary if Chris Paul does not opt out. He only needs to threaten to opt out to force a trade. He might decide to play for the Knicks for a year under the old contract, and then be Larry Bird'ed to whatever in 2013 (if there is a Larry Bird under the new CBA).
So you just have to deal with Okafor's 11 million. Dalembert plus Turiaf are 8-9 million. So you just have to throw in Douglas or Balkman or some other 1.x million dollar deal, and maybe a second veteran contract at most to match Okafor.
Put another way, under the old CBA, we could have gotten a big three and then acquired Lee as part of the trade for the big three. However, we could not sign Lee and then acquire a big three. If this sounds crazy it is. But that is the old CBA, not me.
Or put another way, you are saying that you cannot have a big four. But look at the Celtics roster to see that this is possible to do (granted that two of their big four only make 9-11 million). Or look at the Lakers roster and all those large (eight over 3 million, six over 5 million, including one at 24 million) contracts.
Last edited by nixon7; May 13, 2011 at 14:22. Reason: Afterthought
The old CBA cap is confusing as heck, and I am not an expert, so I could be wrong. But the Lakers and Celtics were somehow constructed.
No one knows what the new CBA will do, and it would be a crime, but possible, that they would grandfather the Lakers and Celtics and Heat; and make it so no other team could be similarly constructed.
But why would the other owners agree to that?
No one in NY will be crying if we get Chris Paul as a free agent, with no trade. Maybe even keep Billups as the PG backup at the veteran's minimum; and don't have to take on Okafor's contract.
But I am assuming that:
a) we would like Chris Paul sooner than later, and therefore
b) are willing to make such a deal work
The point is that we could get Chris Paul in December 2011 this way.
If the Hornets want to lose Chris Paul for nothing in return come July 2012 instead, GO AHEAD MAKE OUR DAY.
Part of the attraction of Dalembert is that he would be willing to sign a one or two year deal. Gasol or DeAndreJ would never sign a short-term deal, and then it might very well be impossible to ever get Chris Paul, or a point guard of the future. I do not see us getting a good enough PG in the draft at #17.
If we were able to trade into the lottery (unlikely), I would take Enes Kanter anyway. That is why I suggested the opposite, trading to get a second draft pick in the 20s (much more possible).
Do you really think that another team is not going to present a more significant offer than a salary dump? Lakers could offer value back and I'm sure CP3 would play for LA. I think the Melo deal taught us all that it takes a lot to pry a franchise player away even if they are holding an option over the teams head. There will always be other teams driving up the price.
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Trade Walker, Douglas, and the rights to a draft pick we buy (20 to 29th) pick to the T-Wolves for Rubio
Sign Grant Hill, Draft Jimmer with 17th pick, Sign Kristic, Trade Balkman for dog****.
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Billups ready to take bench role, Phil Jackson accepts head coaching position, Jerome Jordan proves himself ready to be a Center, Knicks sign a legit shooting guard. The End.
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