i guess the real question is....... do we settle for an pass first mediocre scoring PG and d12......... or a defensive center with mediocre offense and cp3????....i think both would work... i dont want CP3 and a offensive center and i dont want d12 and a scoring pg.. that wont cut it..
with the gun to my head i will take d12 for health reasons
Why do we want Dwight Howard. For defense and rebounding. I mean hey, I wont fight against it. However D12 here will neutralize STAT.
The last 2 premier bigs to play together was David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Robinson sacraficed his game so much b/c he knew Duncan was special. Having 2 dominant big men wont work b/c its just to crowded near the hoop. I will not pay 100 mil to someone who will be limited because of a teammate. CP3 will make everyone look good. And we
Wade and James still play like Max Contract guys because its theres room on the perimiter. When one goes to the whole the other gets out of the way.
Here they will be frustrated with each other. It was already tough for Bosh. It will be worse here.
its working with zach and gasol....bynum and gasol
while cp3 would waork as well... im more concerned with protecting the paint.. even if it sacrafices offense....
In CP3 we'd have a guy who could easily average 10-12 assists, 3-4 steals, shoot 48-50% from the field and 40% from three point range.. Neither Billups nor Felton or any other point guard in the league can do all of the things I just listed night in and night out, all while bringing rare leadership qualities that cannot be quantified, but have a real, profound effect on a game and the man's teammates.
Amare and Melo would have it EASY. They'd have the great point guard of this generation to lead them, dish to them and take over games at will if need be..
MDA's offense works well w a solid PG like Felton or Billups. The team numbers bare this out. But his offense flies off the damn charts and becomes a serious problem w someone like Paul or Nash at the PG position.
Every coach needs certain ingredients Red. MDA is no different. To have MDA as coach and not want for him to have what would make us all the more unstoppable seems counter-intuitive, no?
That said, I want the Knicks to acquire Paul whether MDA is the coach or not.
HE WILL GIVE US THE NUCLEUS WE NEED TO TAKE MIAMI DOWN.
Between the three of them I think we'd see a brand of prolificness that would shock the league for a period. All of my basketball instincts tell me that the three of them together would be something different, something special.
Maybe it can't or won't happen for now obvious reasons (new CBA!!!), but I want this for my Knick team. I want us to be as great a team as we can be. Getting CP3 seems to me to be the way to get there.
We have to see how the new CBA shakes out before any of us can say definitively what kind of cap problems getting him will create.
I also believe we'll take a couple of bigs in this years draft to go along with what we have to hold down the middle. I'm not so much worried about who we have at center as how many guys we can throw out there that can rebound and block shots. All we need are rebounders and shot blockers who can finish the odd put back or easy lay-in off a dish/doubleteam to go along w Amare.
Also, Chicago had really good front-line players. They were deep and skilled at the 4 &5. The had Boozer, Asik, Gibson, Noah and my boy Kurt Thomas.
Chicago also lead the league in defense:
Opp PTS/G: 91.3 (2nd of 30)
Def Rtg/ efficiency: 100.3 (1st of 30)
In looking at the above one can deduce that Chicago had one of the deepest, best frontlines in the NBA AND one of best defenses AND the league MVP.. and still lost against Miami.
Hence the creation of this thread born from a deeper understanding of what it will take to get past the Heat.
The Finals will produce more valuable lessons.
Because of the above, I will continue to promulgate the notion that we need as many great players as it is possible to attain, CP3 in particular. And in the case of this team and this coach, a great, HOF PG would certainly not be a bad thing.
This thread is me simply stating my belief that CP3 is the answer going forward if we want to contend in an East Conf that has a dominating team like the Heat.
Also, I don't need to beat around the bush re: my support of MDA. Anybody who reads my posts can easily ascertain where I stand.
But if we had a choice between the 2 I would take D12, he fills our biggest need which is a defensive presence in the paint. But only if we brought in a different head coach who will play inside out style basketball, not this speedball system we're playing now of launching up 30 3-pointers every game from the perimeter.
Well the fact remains we're going to need a more talented and versatile roster. BUT, were going to also need a more versatile coach. A coach that can utilize a players strengths. Just brining in CP3 and a bunch of shooters isnt going to cut it. Just playing mismatches offensively because that's all you know isnt going to cut it. Benching bigs that can help your interior defense and rebounding because they cant shoot from 15ft isnt going to cut it. Running you offense strictly outside in (RARELY IN I might add) isnt going to cut it.
We dont have time to experiment. We dont have time to see whether or not MOA has figured these things out. We dont have time to see if a defensive assistant and MOA can co exist.
Once the season ends we need to start preparing like we're going after a CHAMPIONSHIP. NOT trying to figure things out on the fly.
Just stumbled upon this video, good times.
It can work consistently if you have a someone who can draw attention and REAL knockdown shooters, which we don't have or (I believe Rautins is a consistent knockdown shooter)utilize yet.
The attention grabber (ie Dirk or someone of his ilk) needs to have the discipline to make the defense pay EVERYTIME they receive the double though. Not sure Melo and Amare are there yet..
Last edited by ronoranina; May 28, 2011 at 12:39.
The reason it works in Dallas is that Dirk is unguardable (wd?). You put a big man on him he takes him to the 3 pt line. You put a smaller player on him he takes him in the paint. That team also plays defense, something that's just wishful thinking for the Knicks with MDA...
I want to be careful and distinguish between Carmelo and Amare. I believe that if you put the knockdown shooters around Melo, he'll find the open man if doubled/receives help. I'm not as confident in Amare's ability to kick to the open guy when he is doubled or receives help. He has shown a propensity to force up shots or turn the ball over when doubled and tripled even.
Getting CP3 would eliminate much of the need for Amare and Melo to facilitate.
It would allow them to do what they do, but in easier fashion as they'd benefit from the attention CP3 garners.
By having a guy like CP3 who can break down your defense at will, but also has the supreme vision and passing to find the open man easily, Amare's and Melo's games could flourish and flow in a more relaxed fashion.
In other words, CP3 would make them better. That's a scary thought.
Defensively I've been saying all along that our team would benefit from having a defensive assistant.
Add CP3 along w better defensive scheme focus and that could result in significant improvement.
Last edited by ronoranina; May 28, 2011 at 21:20.
Adding CP3 will not only boost our offense tremendously and make it one of the best, if not the best in the NBA, it will improve our defense. The guy gets what 2 or 3 steals a night? A player like Paul is exactly what we need. He will not only get the offense going, but he will get the defense going as well.
I'm with you all the way on CP3. No doubt we'd be better. But just adding a defensive assistant isnt going to work. He wont have final say. That means MDA picks who plays. Those that dont get used "REALLY" dont get used. Him having final say doesnt do the Knicks any good at all.
This is what we need in a coach:
Top 8 quotes about Jimmer Fredette from the NBA All-Star Weekend
Compiled by Joseph D’Hippolito
# 2 - Doc Rivers, Boston Celtics coach on Jimmer
I love him. He's terrific. I've seen the ESPN clips and going by the clips, he's a superstar. The kid's going to be a good NBA player. We get lost in what kids can't do and we should focus more on the things they can do and try to accent that. He can get his own shot.
I want to repeat what every great coach thinks about players, unlike MDA.
We get lost in what kids can't do and we should focus more on the things they can do and try to accent that.
You think MDA can adhere to a philosphy like this? He hasnt yet and I dont think he can...