Now that Donnie is gone I fully expect us to drift into nirvana once again. Dolan and D'Antoni will select the players....that means shooot shoots score. Defense? Chemistry? - NOt important according to D'Ant and Dolan.
Last edited by jzero29; Jun 07, 2011 at 10:26.
No doubt Jimmer is a great shooter. My problem is that he is used to having the ball in his hands, dominating the ball actually. I don't know if he could move without the ball and catch and shoot...Knicks could use a knockdown shooter, but I think we have greater needs and Jimmer would be a liability on defense.
Someone explain to me how Fredette is that much better a player over Ben Hansbrough. They're very similiar but I actually think Hansbrough's just as good if not better in every category --- just as good a shooter, just as tough, better athlete, bigger, quicker, slightly better ballhandler, better finisher, more PG tendencies..Explain to me where Fredette has the big edge on Hansbrough. I just don't see it..
To me, Hansbrough is a much better buy in the late 2nd round than Fredette is anywhere from 10-20. But that's me..The only knocks on this kid are the fact that he's a tad bit older than most in this draft class and that he severly sprained his ankle recently and was forced to sit out the Combine and probably some individual workouts (not sure where he is right now with the ankle injury -- if he is in fact working out for teams or not). I also believe he didn't attend the Portland Invitational which I'm sure raised some eyebrows...No matter. These things probably work in our favor as his stock never got a chance to climb the way it probably would have if he did attend Portland & the Combine and never got hurt..Watched him all year -- I know he's good and wouldn't mind taking a late flier on him in this draft.
My dream draft continues to be:
SG Marshon Brooks at 17
C Nikola Vucevic with a mid to late 1 we acquire using assets & cash
PG Ben Hansbrough with a 2nd rounder we acquire
I know for a fact that we could then piece together the rest and fill other holes with smart, low cost/high upside FA signings.
Last edited by finestrg; Jun 07, 2011 at 19:34.
Fredette is a more natural scorer than Hansbrough. Sure, they're both just as good as shooters, but Fredette is MUCH MUCH MUCH better at just getting the ball up at the basket. He's good around the basket. Good finisher. He does some crazy things with his body adjustments to get up ridiculous shots. Kind of like a much less athletic Dwayne Wade lol.
Hansbrough may have better passing abilities, but he's just going to get swallowed up in the paint in the NBA. He's not a finisher at all. I honestly don't want him on our team.
Saying that, I say we pass on both of them and get a big man.
My big thing Duck --- is Fredette that much better to warrant the difference in draft projection at this point -- say 10-17 for Fredette (maybe higher than that--Jimmer could very well go top 10) vs. late 50s-undrafted for Hansbrough?? Man, I don't see that at all. Look at the tape -- just a small sample here but he's every bit as talented as Fredette imho. Again, I'm not talking about taking Hansbrough at 17. I agree that would probably be reaching. I'm talking about passing on Fredette at 17, drafting another need (Brooks would be perfect there), then taking a flier on a guy very similar to Fredette in Hansbrough much later in this draft, say in the late 30s-50 range. I just pray we maximize & try to get the most bang for our buck in this draft.. Hansbrough will prove to be a lot of bang for the buck for some team, esp. the later he goes. I just hope that team is the Knicks.
Real quick while we're on Notre Dame, Tim Abromaitis is another guy I hope the Knicks have on their radar somewhere. Probably goes undrafted but I think he's got enough game to play in the NBA. 6'8", tremendous shooter with a lightning quick release plus he can put it on the floor and rebound a little too as well. This would be a nice player to invite to summer league/training camp. I hope they do so. I'd love both of these Notre Dame kids on the Knicks next year.
Last edited by finestrg; Jun 07, 2011 at 20:07.
IDK, there's a reason why Notre Dame doesn't have good players in the NBA right now lol. Their players are kind of perfectly bread for college, but they're just going to be a little too athletically mismatched in the NBA.
I remember watching Abromitis twice against Uconn. Both times I remember just thinking...... is the only thing this guy can do is shoot 3's? I just don't see him doing much either.
Give me a guy like Jenkins in this draft. Bigger. More physical. Better defender. More of an NBA type player.
No, I'm not just saying that because he's black (even though its basically always true). He's just flat out more athletic and has more NBA potential.
Hasnbrough and Abromitis? Best days are behind them. Clearly. I do think Hansbrough can be a solid backup, but I don't want to draft looking for a solid backup.
If you think he can be a starter or a great role player then that's fine. I just don't see it.