I forgot about that game in Charlotte. I think that was one of the games I was thinking of when I originally thought of making this thread a while ago. Felton was great, and Amar'e was amazing. He mad an explosive dunk in that game as well. That streak of his was something else.
People are mentioning Stoudemire's block on LeBron, which is amazing. What is even more amazing is Billups' cold blooded three before it.
A pass first pg?
Yeah... I see 28th in defense with our pass first in our offense pg. Sad.
And I think "Bigshot" is referring to hitting shots when they count, as in when a big shot is needed. Plus its a pun on the term "bigshot" like baller.
See how you spun it?
So referring to your past posts...
Who would you like more for our Knicks, Mr. Bigshot or 'Antoni? (And no I'm not saying assume coach has a pass 1st pg or CB has a defensive team around him). Just CB vs MA who lights your fire?
Btw, i'd bet MIA wish they had a Mr. Bigshot.
2. Your question is absurd and a false choice. Yea, I'm the one spinning...
3. MIA would benefit from CB much more than us since Lebron is the play maker therefore having another 3 point shooter like CB to spread the floor would benefit them especially in the final minutes of a game.
Anyway my response was basically that I don't subscribe to the "pass first pg" label.
PG's to me are floor generals and an extension of the coach.
Apg stats can be a result of many things and primarily takes two to achieve. If a pg was surrounded by knock down shooters his apg should be higher. I think what's more important is how he facilitates on a whole.
I've seen D.Rose be totally passive and I've seen him take over. To me the decision making ability of a pg is a better way to evaluate because his job on offense is to get the easiest shots.
Feeding the hot hand, getting players involved, crisp precise passing whether in traffic or in motion are all things CB has demonstrated even if he isn't the most athletic.
I'd take a great decision maker which to me indicates a by any means necessary type over a pass first passive type guard.
Hasn't CB prooved he can do it all?
And I think the question was legit. Given the current circumstance who would you rather for our Knicks?
CB or MA? (Not cb with a defensive roster or Ma with a pass 1st guard) just their value in terms of impact towards success...
CB or MA?
When it comes to decisions can I argue that CB is better than 95% of pg's- maybe not the fastest or best defender but what to do with the rock...no?
Whether passing or shooting his decisions have led to wins, to me that's what's important. Some pgs are limited by systems or personnel that affects assists. CB has demonstrated the ability to adapt to the situation has he not?
Does CB make great decisions when he pulls up for 3 instead of getting our stars the ball? What you don't get is that we have two of the best scorers in the HISTORY of the NBA let alone in the NBA today and have no use for an aging PG who is by your own admission not the fastest or best defender. Add to it that he only averages around 5.5 APG for his career even on Denver the highest scoring team last year and it's clear CB is not the right fit. We need a PG who is going to get our stars the ball, play some defense and sure hit the 3 when open.(not look for it as a 1st option every X amount of plays)
As to your false choice...the fact that your rigid false choice doesn't allow me to keep MDA and replace CB with a PG I would obviously take CB over MDA because a player has much more impact on a team than a coach especially if you can't replace that player. (hence why your question is absurd)
i have to also add blake griffin dunking on gallo and mosgoz
A) Pass 1st?
B) Shoot 1st?
C) Pass or shoot depending?
I think the answer is "C" and who they play with shouldn't determine the choice as long as the results are favorable. Your beef seems to be due to unfavorable results not because of the style of play illustrated by apg.
Kidd is slower but can now hit the three. And because he can just like CB, he being the leader makes a choice. The validity of that choice (pass or shoot) can only be determined by the result. If the shot goes in (him or by his team after a pass) it was a good decision. If they miss (him or his team member) the decision is questioned, so the ends justify the means.
We lacked overall team success with all the excuses we argued throughout thus "maybe chauncey was to blame" "his assists were low", made shots equals no complaints.
His age and or apg really is irrelevant. The "w" is.
But really I'm noticing an observation relative to the D'Antoni model from you. I thought we agreed that he wasn't the right fit. So why still single out Cb like he is/was the weak point? Has he not proven his decisions whether akin to "pass 1st" "scoring" "combo" labels have lead teams to success?
Those lables to me should be used for limited players. His best attribute is "passing" (so he shouldn't be shooting as much) or "scoring" (so he should look for his shot more) because he has limits.
Is Chauncey that limited player ala Nate Robinson or one dimensional? No, he has proven to be unlimited offensively giving him or his team options which is better than "he looks to pass first" which to me says limited.
I understand that moniker is based on a players style. That style to me is illustrated by decisions- to pass, to shoot tendencies partly indicated by stats (apg, ppg)
But above a "pass first" pg has to be an "all around player" who can do it all right? His biggest question is the decision to do so and when.
I think you didn't agree with his decisions to shoot based on your reference to pull ups and what you feel about our roster. Even though he did hit "big shots" it wasn't enough for you and so you label him weak for not passing first which many times he did.
He and Kidd make great decisions and of course it doesn't always work out. But where is your excuse for him about being new and understanding the system like others? Seems like you are trying to justify unwarranted bias. That's all.