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    Curtis Stinson really should be another guy we consider for PG depth. For some reason, this guy has never gotten any love from NBA teams but I think he can definitely play in this league. Come on, at least in a backup role for some club, no? Absolutely. No doubt in my mind.

    3-year college career at Iowa: 17.6 ppg, 45.7 FG%, 4.8 apg, 5.6 rpg, 2.1 spg

    2010/11 NBDL: 19.3 ppg, 50.2 FG%, 9.8 apg, 5.7 rpg, 1.4 spg (DL MVP)

    8 playoff games this year in the DL including the DL Finals which his team won:
    24.4 ppg, 50.7 FG%, 8.8 apg, 6.9 rpg, 1.2 spg

    Rock-solid 6'3" 215 lbs, very strong, can score but he makes it a point to distribute...A fine passer..A true floor general...Mid-range jumper, assist totals, and FT % are all much improved since college...Effective penetrator that can get all the way to the tin with his combination of superior strength, and above average ball-handling & speed..Rebounds very well for a PG. And he could always play good defense...Isn't really a 3-pt shooter (although, like Melo, I think he can refine and improve this part of his game if he ever had a chance to play for a guy like D'Antoni---it's not like he can't shoot) and he turned the ball over quite a bit this year (4.54/game up a whole turnover from his 3.5 DL career average) but that comes with logging a ton of mins & having the ball in his hands all the time I suppose.

    Here are two clips -- the 2nd one is funny. First off, his name is misspelled; 2nd, the clip shows him making some mistakes as well as executing some nice plays..I don't ever recall seeing a youtube highlight clip of a player showing both good plays as well as mistakes..LOL. Whatever, it's still a very good watch and shows a lot of what he can do..The good far and away outweighs the bad in this clip..I see some Anthony Carter, a little Gary Grant and believe it or not, some Stephon Marbury as well -- maybe not the overall skill level Steph had, but definitely similar to Marbury in size, strength and the way he uses those two attributes to get to the basket. Shows some of the same 'bull in a china shop' penetration Marbury used to display..Steph also had a pretty good mid-range game too, something this guy looks to have as well, even off the dribble.

    If all else fails, forget Anthony Carter who will cost us over $1.3M to bring back based on his 11+ yrs of service ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) --- for that amount of money we could get 2, possibly 3 young hungry guys with talent that we can use to fill out the roster..Go get me this guy who's very similar to AC, only years younger and would come much cheaper. Honestly, I've seen this guy a few times this year including a couple of his playoff games -- we could do a hell of a lot worse fellas, believe me.


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    Just reading that Javaris Crittenton & Bonzi Wells were present at this 2-day free agent mini camp the Knicks held. Not sure what Wells has left in the tank if anything, but Crittenton is very intriguing. He's big for a point (6'4"-6'5") and always had real good ability. Has always been a nice combination of size & skill all with a little flair...The gun situation with Gilbert Arenas is definitely alarming to say the least, but I think I can look past that now, knowing that he served his punishment and most likely matured since then..What do you guys think about this? Can this guy possibly be the 3rd PG for next season?? There's no doubt this kid has talent. Very good numbers his freshman year at G-Tech too btw: 14.4 ppg, 45% FG (36% on threes), 3.7 rpg, 5.8 apg, 2.0 steals. You can see exactly why the Lakers took him @ 19 a few years ago in the draft. Dude can ball -- can he put the troubled past behind him? That's the question here.

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    Nice replies, finestrg. I was wondering if Curtis Stinson was the guy from New York I saw in the D-League All-Star game so I just looked him up and he is, from the Bronx.

    How's his defense?

    I do want AC back because he's a good and willing passer who can shoot, defend, and is a veteran.

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    I've seen Stinson a handful of times and although his defense never really stood out to me (that's probably because his toughness, strength, passing and scoring did), on paper, it looks to be better than average. He's a good combination of toughness, physicality, strength (this dude went for 17 on the bench press a few years ago when he was tested---that's crazy for a PG) along with above average quickness & agility. His wingspan (6'5") and standing reach (8'1.5") looks to be right on par with or slightly better than any PG that got tested at this year's Combine, so nothing hurts him here.. His steals rate has slipped a little lately in the NBDL (down to 1.3/game this year, still a decent number) but this guy's gone for at least 2/game at different times wherever he's been:

    Iowa State Cyclones (college)
    2003/04: 1.7/game
    04/05: 2.3/game
    05/06: 2.4/game

    Iowa Energy (D-League)
    08/09: 2.2/game
    09/2010: 2.2/game

    That's really bringing it defensively -- anytime a guy goes for 2 spg or over, it stands out...You don't put up those type of numbers on accident..

    I really like Stinson a lot. With some of the garbage teams have on their rosters in the NBA these days, I really can't believe this guy has never gotten a call-up & then at least a steady backup gig for some team somewhere along the way. He's definitely good enough imho...Brings so many good intangibles to the table... He's a mixture of a lot of solid NBA PGs, past & present: Stephon Marbury/Gary Grant/Anthony Carter/Jarrett Jack.

    I'd be perfectly fine with Curtis Stinson as my reserve PG next year. I betcha he could do a much better job of running the team over Toney Douglas. I like Toney, he's gritty and is a decent scorer when he's on, but he's just not an NBA PG..Case closed..Toney needs to play off the ball to be effective and when he does, we're left with is a 6'1"-6'2" shooting guard who's severly undersized for that position, not to mention overrated offensively & defensively..I'd actually shop Douglas along with Rautins and cash to see if I could come up with another 1st round pick in this draft. Douglas is completely replaceable if you ask me. I just hope he still has some value coming off the shoulder surgery. Ahh, whatever, they love TD and he isn't going anywhere...And if they really liked Stinson, he would've been a part of this mini camp they just held. I don't know every player that attended (anyone have a complete list??), but I know his name was never mentioned and you figure it would've been if he were there, being the DL MVP and all. I'd give him a shot -- we need a backup floor general and this guy's capable & would come cheap.
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    Speaking of the mini camp the Knicks just held, I just read that Joe Alexander was there and played well. I'd sign him up in a heartbeat if I were the Knicks. He's one of the guys I've been calling for them to add on the cheap..Dude had a very productive season in the DL this year (20.2 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 3.1 assts, 1.4 blocks) and although I like fellow D-Leaguer DeShawn Sims a little bit more (Sims is playing summer ball in Puerto Rico last time I checked and that season may not be over yet---maybe that's why he wasn't at the Knicks camp), Alexander could turn out to be a very nice skill forward behind Amar'e & Melo. Nice job bringing him in for a closer look. I don't care what he did (or didn't do) with Milwaukee; this guy's a very good athlete that's still young and he can score and rebound. Definitely deserves another shot in the NBA. Compare this guy to Jared Jeffries for a sec -- infinitely more skilled, it's not even a debate. I'd ink him up immediately. Take the chance. Dude still has mega upside. And behind Melo and Amar'e, he wouldn't have to be the man here, only a solid contributor off a much-improved bench (hopefully).

    I'd really like to see a complete list of every player who attended this Knick mini camp. Anyone know where I can find that out? Link??
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    The New York Knicks are diving full bore into the D-League this week. Following their partnership with the Erie BayHawks earlier on Wednesday, team executives invited a host of professional prospects to take part in the first of two planned free agent workouts as the team builds its database of potential training camp invitees.

    The Knicks had what was expected to be around 18 players in on Thursday, though Ridiculous Upside's trusty network of league sources was only able to learn 10 of the names as of late Thursday night.

    The most recognizable name expected in attendance was 34-year-old NBA veteran Bonzi Wells. Wells was a lottery pick in the 1998 NBA Draft , eventually amassing 591 NBA games with five teams, before recent stops playing professional basketball in China and Puerto Rico.

    Others confirmed to be invited to the workout were guards Jerel McNeal, Will Conroy and Javaris Crittenton along with big men Cedric Simmons, Jeff Foote, Vernon Goodridge, Trent Plaisted, Ivan Johnson, Arinze Onuaku and Joe Alexander. McNeal, Crittenton, Goodridge, Johnson and Onuaku all played in the D-League last season.



    If the names compiled so far aren't intriguing enough, it's actually the first of two planned free agent camps the Knicks have in store this month.

    "We have two free agent mini-camps that we are holding which will give us an idea of how to prepare," new BayHawks general manager Allan Houston told D-League.com's Matthew Brennan. "The draft workouts are also helpful, this draft has some good players who might not get drafted. We've already started to catalog guys that we feel could be good for the team, and we'll take it as it goes as the summer moves forward."

    "I'm looking forward to learning more about the D-League, and about developing the young prospects we know are going to be in the NBA at some point," Houston went on to say. "It's about getting a landscape of scouting players who can potentially be in this league, and learning more about operating the team."

    The Knicks second workout, according to a source, is schedule for June 25 and 26 -- two days after the NBA Draft.
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    I dunno how complete that list is, but it's the best I could find so far.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
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    I dunno how complete that list is, but it's the best I could find so far.
    Thanks bro. I saw the same article -- kinda get the feeling there were more guys there, right? That's how it reads to me with comments like: "others confirmed so far...," and "if the names compiled so far aren't intriguing enough, it's actually the first of two planned free agent camps the Knicks have in store this month." We might be missing the entire day-2 squad (maybe day-2 hasn't taken place yet, not sure)...I hope they release the full list soon. I wanna see exactly who they were looking at. There's a ton of other guys I hope were there or will be there for day-2 -- SG Matt Bouldin for example, maybe SF/PF DeShawn Sims if he's available.

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    Originally Posted by finestrg
    I've seen Stinson a handful of times and although his defense never really stood out to me (that's probably because his toughness, strength, passing and scoring did), on paper, it looks to be better than average. He's a good combination of toughness, physicality, strength (this dude went for 17 on the bench press a few years ago when he was tested---that's crazy for a PG) along with above average quickness & agility. His wingspan (6'5") and standing reach (8'1.5") looks to be right on par with or slightly better than any PG that got tested at this year's Combine, so nothing hurts him here.. His steals rate has slipped a little lately in the NBDL (down to 1.3/game this year, still a decent number) but this guy's gone for at least 2/game at different times wherever he's been:

    Iowa State Cyclones (college)
    2003/04: 1.7/game
    04/05: 2.3/game
    05/06: 2.4/game

    Iowa Energy (D-League)
    08/09: 2.2/game
    09/2010: 2.2/game

    That's really bringing it defensively -- anytime a guy goes for 2 spg or over, it stands out...You don't put up those type of numbers on accident..

    I really like Stinson a lot. With some of the garbage teams have on their rosters in the NBA these days, I really can't believe this guy has never gotten a call-up & then at least a steady backup gig for some team somewhere along the way. He's definitely good enough imho...Brings so many good intangibles to the table... He's a mixture of a lot of solid NBA PGs, past & present: Stephon Marbury/Gary Grant/Anthony Carter/Jarrett Jack.

    I'd be perfectly fine with Curtis Stinson as my reserve PG next year. I betcha he could do a much better job of running the team over Toney Douglas. I like Toney, he's gritty and is a decent scorer when he's on, but he's just not an NBA PG..Case closed..Toney needs to play off the ball to be effective and when he does, we're left with is a 6'1"-6'2" shooting guard who's severly undersized for that position, not to mention overrated offensively & defensively..I'd actually shop Douglas along with Rautins and cash to see if I could come up with another 1st round pick in this draft. Douglas is completely replaceable if you ask me. I just hope he still has some value coming off the shoulder surgery. Ahh, whatever, they love TD and he isn't going anywhere...And if they really liked Stinson, he would've been a part of this mini camp they just held. I don't know every player that attended (anyone have a complete list??), but I know his name was never mentioned and you figure it would've been if he were there, being the DL MVP and all. I'd give him a shot -- we need a backup floor general and this guy's capable & would come cheap.
    Great reply. It's a wonder how the D-League MVP hasn't gotten an NBA roster spot yet. It'd be great if we gave him a try. He's 28, so a 28 years young guy with experience, and not just experience, he's the latest D-League MVP, should be getting a shot. Come on NBA, let the man have a chance while he's in his 20s.

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    Bump. Since Chris Paul is all the rage now for many Knicks fans, we should be thinking about other passers too who would become even better because of STAT and Melo.

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