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Thread: Trade our pick, Fields, and Douglas, for Gortat and the suns 13th pick.

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    The suns would be willing to trade gortat for 2 young players plus another rookie, because of the fact that they are trying to overhaul the entire roster, and rid long term contracts, which gortats while not large, does run another 3 years, which is longer than Nash's plus buying out carters contract shows the direction they are going in.


    ridding gortats contract, for two young players with team options and the 17th pick would be a wise move for them.


    there is no reason why they would object to doing it, especially being that Gortat does not make them a playoff team next year, so why hold onto a contract when you are going to have to enter rebuilding mode any way,

    any team in there position would rather pick up 3 youthful usable players, than hold onto a pick only 4 spots higher than the knicks, and a center who will cost you 25 million over the next 3 losing seasons.


    its a smart move on both sides,

    but fried duck is an idiot and doesnt research information before posting nothing but curses and insults.


    fool.

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    Originally Posted by NYallDay
    thats cool i hear what you're saying but is Gortat really gonna make the difference in when we battle heat and the bulls for the next few years? yea dallas won because they had a more complete team but their TEAM consisted of jkidd , shawn marrion, chandler, terry (who could start on 80% of teams). so its not like it was 1 or 2 solid players around dirk and its not like the solid players were mediocore....they were superstars at one point, yea their physical play deteriorated but their mental knowledge of the game didnt go anywhere.....jkidd defended so well not because he was a top athlete but because of his mental understanding and toughness, same with marrion, same with terry stepping up and making clutch shots.
    my point is that we can try to build a team around melo and stat and try to complement them with the perfect pieces but those pieces cant be so so players, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT THEM THATS GREAT. it could be physical athleticism, mental toughness or a decade of experience in playoff tested battles. who stands out for me (out of whats available) is GHill, TMac, Jeff Foster
    True, Dallas's supporting cast has a lot of smart vets who fit together well.

    But I think the Knicks have to find their own way. Following prototypes is a futile exercise because you don't find these pieces in a factory with a label that says "clutch shooter" or "smart defender." And NY has two stars instead of just Dallas's one or Miami's three.

    I'm thinking a smartly built team led by Amare and Melo (and Chauncey, if he's still around when/if NY reaches the mountaintop) would be enough. Guys like Gortat (which ain't happening) could suffice as our starting 5, given we get a solid spot-up shooter at 2 and add a decent mix of scoring, defense and veteran smarts to the bench.

    It won't happen overnight, but it can be done.

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    The suns would be willing to trade gortat for 2 young players plus another rookie, because of the fact that they are trying to overhaul the entire roster, and rid long term contracts, which gortats while not large, does run another 3 years, which is longer than Nash's plus buying out carters contract shows the direction they are going in.


    ridding gortats contract, for two young players with team options and the 17th pick would be a wise move for them.


    there is no reason why they would object to doing it, especially being that Gortat does not make them a playoff team next year, so why hold onto a contract when you are going to have to enter rebuilding mode any way,

    any team in there position would rather pick up 3 youthful usable players, than hold onto a pick only 4 spots higher than the knicks, and a center who will cost you 25 million over the next 3 losing seasons.


    its a smart move on both sides,

    but fried duck is an idiot and doesnt research information before posting nothing but curses and insults.


    fool.
    You a fool. DAMN fool, straight up. Gortat is THE type of contract a BUILDING teams wants...

    YOUNG, impact center on a sweetheart, perfect 3yr deal.

    And you think some scraps will entice them? BahahHahhHHa

    You BUILD with someone like Marcin. He ain't Okefor.

    Get logic. This shish AINT chess.

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    Originally Posted by friedduck
    Get logic. This shish AINT chess.
    I believe the quote you're looking for is "the ****'s chess, it ain't checkers."

    You have a learning deficiency, don't you? I'm sorry I was so hard on you earlier.

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    Originally Posted by friedduck
    Why in da **** would PHO do that? Marcin was straight up beast last yr...smh @ these weaksauce trades....And he's young and primed for more.

    N you want to try to flip a weaker pick, a middling ass dime dozen tweener + a guy who got his emperors clothes removed while y'all were still giggling like school girls livin a fantasy about us having a starting 2guard...smmfh....

    Vince Carter, biggest washed up perennial loser and quitter in NBA today...now dis?

    Real moves peoples, real moves. Fanboyin for a DALLASS team n trying to get pleasure from a MIA dynasty not winning mustv clouded some good ass peoples judgements....

    Real talk. Fields a huge question mark w low value. Douglas too. Weaker pick. And you want one of the best young, all round startin 5s in game who just be grtting better n better n has value climbing?

    Maybe if we throw out getting that 13th...Maybe.
    bro the knicks are gona squash your heat next season, the knicks are gona improve their roster a lot more than the heat thos off season. We have a 17th pick + were buying either a late 1st rounder, early 2nd rounder, or both. + were gona sign some good role players. Do the heat even have a draft pick??? If we either move up or stay at 17 and get bismack the heat would have some fun trying to drive on him, lebron would get his **** sent x5 of wat amare did to him.
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    stop this childish BS man and be objective.....what would stop the heat from buying a 1st and/or 2nd round pik? or signing good role players?
    they have no state tax, they already have 3 stars, face it they're alot closer than we are. we got our work cut out for us, so no! we're not gonna squash the heat, we're gonna play em down to the wire and be in the mix along with the top teams in the east. be a homer but be real!

    Originally Posted by Carmelo Iz Filthy
    bro the knicks are gona squash your heat next season, the knicks are gona improve their roster a lot more than the heat thos off season. We have a 17th pick + were buying either a late 1st rounder, early 2nd rounder, or both. + were gona sign some good role players. Do the heat even have a draft pick??? If we either move up or stay at 17 and get bismack the heat would have some fun trying to drive on him, lebron would get his **** sent x5 of wat amare did to him.

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    Originally Posted by NYallDay
    stop this childish BS man and be objective.....what would stop the heat from buying a 1st and/or 2nd round pik? or signing good role players?
    they have no state tax, they already have 3 stars, face it they're alot closer than we are. we got our work cut out for us, so no! we're not gonna squash the heat, we're gonna play em down to the wire and be in the mix along with the top teams in the east. be a homer but be real!
    Ok the heat are not that much better than us, yes they got lebron and wade but bosh is over rated, we got a better offence then the heat imo, we just need to get out center in either FA or the draft and the same goes for a SG and a PG. I think after the off season are team will look pretty good on paper, we jsut need to prove it come october when the season starts. I think we can seriously compete for the title come october. sorry but after Lebron was talking all that **** about winning 8 championships, making fun of dirk's cold, and all that other BS.

    Next year Knicks> Heat

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    It's not happening. Gortat helped the Suns so much at the center position. Orlando were fools for letting him go. They are not in complete rebuilding mode. They're still building around Nash in fact, and they know they can because they have Nash, Gortat, and cap space now. If they did this proposed trade then they'd be probably definitely thinking about trading Nash. You know who the Suns would trade Gortat for? Howard. Yeah, he's that valuable to the Suns. Gortat also had chemistry with Nash on the offensive end quickly.

    The Suns didn't have a good center in who knows how long (Shaq doesn't count).

    The Phoenix FO called Gortat to say the Pau Gasol for him rumors are not true, they love him.

    I've read posts on a Phoenix Suns forum, the fans love him too, and they know they're not trading him for Fields, Douglas, and a pick. They'd laugh at this trade.

    I'd go as far as I'd feel sorry for the Suns, their fans, and Nash (if they don't trade him) if this trade happened.

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    There's buzz about Robin Lopez going to GSW for Ekpe Udoh and GSW's #11 pick.

    If so, that would be a steal by Phoenix. I don't think very highly of Lopez.
    Also, this would be another strike against the notion of PHO dealing away Gortat.

    Seriously, I think there are maybe 10 guys who are legit starting 5's in the NBA, and Gortat's one of them. It makes no sense to trade him, whether you're rebuilding or not.

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    Originally Posted by Marek
    There's buzz about Robin Lopez going to GSW for Ekpe Udoh and GSW's #11 pick.

    If so, that would be a steal by Phoenix. I don't think very highly of Lopez.
    Also, this would be another strike against the notion of PHO dealing away Gortat.

    Seriously, I think there are maybe 10 guys who are legit starting 5's in the NBA, and Gortat's one of them. It makes no sense to trade him, whether you're rebuilding or not.
    yeh the lopez twins remnind me of the morris twins, marcus and brook are better than there counter parts, but I'm just hoping markeiff isnt the next robin lopez.

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    This deal would be AMAZING but I don't see it happening. I don't think Phoenix would trade Gortat for that little, and they'd definitely NOT give up a pick for it.

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    very creative and smart, i would like something more in return though like a childress or even hill

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    Originally Posted by DieHardPassion
    very creative and smart, i would like something more in return though like a childress or even hill
    Hill will be a free agent.

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