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    Yeah, consolation prize wasn't the best way to say it but at the end of the day I think we can agree that we wanted Melo in a Knick uniform and we have it. If for some reason Melo went to NJ and we ended up dumpingi Gallo for D-Will I don't know if that'd be the best move for our franchise moving forward.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Yeah, consolation prize wasn't the best way to say it but at the end of the day I think we can agree that we wanted Melo in a Knick uniform and we have it. If for some reason Melo went to NJ and we ended up dumpingi Gallo for D-Will I don't know if that'd be the best move for our franchise moving forward.
    yeh, we got a player that no1 can guard on the offsive side. He can post up, drive and finish, get his own board and finish, I mean hes the man. Lebron cant post up for his life. Stoudmire is the hardest PF to guard in the league imo. We just need to get 2 outa of the 3 in tomarrows draft. A guy that can spread the floor, a defensive minded player, and some size for boards. A PG for the future would be nice too.

    Charles Jenkins is a big sleeper, I hope we can get him, selby, or iman with our 2nd pick that were buying. Jenkins has come a far way and not only does he have the skill he has the heart, very tough kid I would like to see us get jenkins over selby. The kid has <3.
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    Yeah, Melo is the better player...but it wouldn't have cost us as much to get DWill, and DWill is the better compliment to Amare. We really didn't see any kind of complimentary games with Melo/Amare (e.g. one benefiting from the other). No passing to the other out of their double teams, no pick-and-rolls, nothing. Essentially it was iso-Melo or iso-Amare. Plus, Melo rotting in NJ didn't bother me. That team would be awful with all they would have given to get him. Melo would have got his money so he would still be happy.

    DWill + Mozgov + Chandler >>>>> Melo.
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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    We really didn't see any kind of complimentary games with Melo/Amare (e.g. one benefiting from the other). No passing to the other out of their double teams, no pick-and-rolls, nothing. Essentially it was iso-Melo or iso-Amare.
    That's system based. Or, in this case especially, systemic coaching.

    We were one of the more predictable/monotonous/unprepared teams in basketball on the offensive end. Typically, I've been basically labeled as petulant for saying so. Over that 2 month period in which Melo was a Knick, literally nothing was done to create any symbiosis between him and Stoudemire. Nothing. In the first 5 games there was. Until MD's sans-Nash, erroneous offence took hold and ruined it.

    You are the only person, other than myself, who has actually brought up this fact.

    I, on the other hand, do not point the finger at Melo. Nor do I at STAT.

    We had the ingredients, just not the technology.

    * Waits for the faithful to ramble about injuries and the adjustment period. I get it, it's fair, and can't go without being considered. 7 new players - yada, yada, yada.

    Doesn't change the fact that we ran 3 plays: ISOs - which made up half our points - , Spaced 3 pointers and the P&R. Revolutionary.
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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    That's system based. Or, in this case especially, systemic coaching.

    We were one of the more predictable/monotonous/unprepared teams in basketball on the offensive end. Typically, I've been basically labeled as petulant for saying so. Over that 2 month period in which Melo was a Knick, literally nothing was done to create any symbiosis between him and Stoudemire. Nothing. In the first 5 games there was. Until MD's sans-Nash, erroneous offence took hold and ruined it.

    You are the only person, other than myself, who has actually brought up this fact.

    I, on the other hand, do not point the finger at Melo. Nor do I at STAT.

    We had the ingredients, just not the technology.

    * Waits for the faithful to ramble about injuries and the adjustment period. I get it, it's fair, and can't go without being considered. 7 new players - yada, yada, yada.

    Doesn't change the fact that we ran 3 plays: ISOs - which made up half our points - , Spaced 3 pointers and the P&R. Revolutionary.
    I disagree. I am one of the few that doesn't mind D'Antoni's system. I blame him more for the lack of defensive assignments and believe a good defensive assistant coach could complete his system. His offensive system, to me, can be very successful, with the right pieces. Melo and Billups do not fit his system and do not compliment Amare's strengths. Since we're stuck with them, I have no issues replacing D'Antoni with a "Larry Brown" type coach that slows the game down, plays tough defense, and allows Melo to iso.

    While I loved Felton's heart and intensity, he often struggled with the pick-and-roll. There were many times he would miss Amare, or even Mozgov, on the pick-and-roll. DWill with Amare and Mozgov would have been lethal. Add Chandler to the mix and all we would have needed was a knock-down SG (think Kevin Martin type) and we would have been contenders. That would have been a very well offense/defense balanced team.

    Oh well, and as others have suggested. Time to move on.

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    Using the deal (Melo) that basically caused Walsh to quit, as the crux of your critique of him is disingenuous at best, and patently unfair at worst.

    The worst move he made turns out having given up Zach Randolph for too little, but this is hindsight because no one could have known at the time that he would ever learn how to pass out of the double-team; and anyway at the time a salary-dump made sense.

    You could also argue that D'Antoni has been a bigger mistake, but he will turn out to have been a reasonable interim coach for the team.

    Otherwise, Walsh has been close to brilliant in getting the team to where it has flexibility.

    Tonight and his post-lockout consulting on free agents will hopefully cement his legacy with the Knicks.

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    HELL to the N to the O!!! Keep that scrub far away from the knicks as possible. The only time I want to see him is when he plays against the Knicks and gets his ass handed to him. The league has also wised up during the post season. Gallos flopping and fake fouls will be to a minimal....hurting his game big time.

    I wouldn't mind Chandler coming back thou. Denver is not going to use all those forwards and Wilson's defense will be needed.

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    Melo's shot selection will be the death of us.

    I rather have Gallo and invest in more money in a position more needed like PG.

    We already had small forwards in Gallo/Fields/Chandler...didn't make sense in upgrading in the same position that wasn't a problem when we clearly needed a PG or a defensive big man.

    This trade looks nice because its Carmelo Anthony, but logically speaking it isn't an optimizing trade for the franchise in terms of overall team attributes. We're not a balanced team to keep it simple.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Melo's shot selection will be the death of us.

    I rather have Gallo and invest in more money in a position more needed like PG.

    We already had small forwards in Gallo/Fields/Chandler...didn't make sense in upgrading in the same position that wasn't a problem when we clearly needed a PG or a defensive big man.

    This trade looks nice because its Carmelo Anthony, but logically speaking it isn't an optimizing trade for the franchise in terms of overall team attributes. We're not a balanced team to keep it simple.
    Melo gives us more than those 3 players combined especially when you add in Melo + whoever else replaces those players in the rotation. Spreading production over 3 players is never as good as getting it from one star. We can and will replace our role players...stars like Melo are few and far between.

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    Well head to head, Melo gives us more compared to teach of those players, but I believe in order to be a successful winning basketball team, we need to build around the team and not worry about so much about acquiring the best talent.

    Look at Dallas for example, or the Grizzlies, Bulls...although these teams are defensive minded(as we should be) Its going to be hard for us to change that with D'Antoni.

    So I'm not even sure.

    I can't say I know.

    But I feel like we didn't Melo as badly, it was just a cute move to do to please the fans for the time being. Gallo could of put it a valuable effort the 3 with his IQ, slashing and 3pt range(not as consistent as Melo, but very servicable), and we would of had a chance to move up in the draft or trade for a Deron Williams or something to that level.

    You feel me?

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Well head to head, Melo gives us more compared to teach of those players, but I believe in order to be a successful winning basketball team, we need to build around the team and not worry about so much about acquiring the best talent.

    Look at Dallas for example, or the Grizzlies, Bulls...although these teams are defensive minded(as we should be) Its going to be hard for us to change that with D'Antoni.

    So I'm not even sure.

    I can't say I know.

    But I feel like we didn't Melo as badly, it was just a cute move to do to please the fans for the time being. Gallo could of put it a valuable effort the 3 with his IQ, slashing and 3pt range(not as consistent as Melo, but very servicable), and we would of had a chance to move up in the draft or trade for a Deron Williams or something to that level.

    You feel me?
    I understand but if you use Dallas you must first understand that Dirk is that elite talent like Melo. They built a team around Dirk and hopefully the Knicks will do the same. Amare is great but is not in Melo's or Dirk's level. Now that we have are true superstar alongside a perennial all-star we can focus on building a deep team of complimentary role players.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Melo gives us more than those 3 players combined especially when you add in Melo + whoever else replaces those players in the rotation. Spreading production over 3 players is never as good as getting it from one star. We can and will replace our role players...stars like Melo are few and far between.
    quoted for truth..

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    I understand but if you use Dallas you must first understand that Dirk is that elite talent like Melo. They built a team around Dirk and hopefully the Knicks will do the same. Amare is great but is not in Melo's or Dirk's level. Now that we have are true superstar alongside a perennial all-star we can focus on building a deep team of complimentary role players.
    Amare isn't on Melo's or Dirk's level? I don't believe that. Amare was getting MVP consideration this season, and I'll take Amare over Melo just based on the fact Amare is just better. You're overrating Melo ALOT right now.

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    Well let me take that back since that was too bold.

    At best, Melo is on Amare's level.

    There...I feel better.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Well let me take that back since that was too bold.

    At best, Melo is on Amare's level.

    There...I feel better.

    I have as much love for Amare as the next Knicks fan does but every GM in the NBA takes Melo over Amare

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