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    Default Chauncy: "Knicks need more team, not more stars!"

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    Cavet before we start, Billups would be the odd man out in the event that we did land say a Chris Paul or Deron Williams, I suspect if we somehow got Dwight Howard next year Billups would sign for the vet min and would probably feel that we have all we need to be a championship team!

    Yet, I do not think this is where he is coming from!

    This is a proven winner in this league telling us the fans (who crave the stars so much) and managment who want the stars to generate revenue (although winning teams will make money too!!)

    In the article the comparison with The Heat and The 2004 is made, rememeber them? A super team put together that was going to be completley unstoppable, yet they get taken out (pretty easily) by a unit of players who knew their role.

    Now at the time Detroit had a couple of All Stars (four to be exact) yet none of them were superstars, that team drew lots of comparison to our last Championship squad that boasted 3 All stars and had key players who know their roles.

    The Knicks have 19 million in cap (assuming the cap is the projected 62) and 21 if they don't pick up Douglas' option the Knicks can either add one superstar and sign Feilds for the leftover change or plug wholes

    I would rather us make runs at Javelle McGee,Mickeal Pietrus,Matt Barnes, Shannon Brown, DJ Augustine etc. basically players who round out the team

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    NO! Let me break it down, you're talking about pieces fitting together and everyone doing a bit of this and a bit of that right.....
    well, all of those players put together wont contribute as much as a CP3 or D12 can do on their own. again it goes back to my point in another thread we need specific skill sets to round out this team. 1-defense/rebounding or 1a-a pure distributor who can CONTROL the game (no one is better at this than CP3)



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    Cavet before we start, Billups would be the odd man out in the event that we did land say a Chris Paul or Deron Williams, I suspect if we somehow got Dwight Howard next year Billups would sign for the vet min and would probably feel that we have all we need to be a championship team!

    Yet, I do not think this is where he is coming from!

    This is a proven winner in this league telling us the fans (who crave the stars so much) and managment who want the stars to generate revenue (although winning teams will make money too!!)

    In the article the comparison with The Heat and The 2004 is made, rememeber them? A super team put together that was going to be completley unstoppable, yet they get taken out (pretty easily) by a unit of players who knew their role.

    Now at the time Detroit had a couple of All Stars (four to be exact) yet none of them were superstars, that team drew lots of comparison to our last Championship squad that boasted 3 All stars and had key players who know their roles.

    The Knicks have 19 million in cap (assuming the cap is the projected 62) and 21 if they don't pick up Douglas' option the Knicks can either add one superstar and sign Feilds for the leftover change or plug wholes

    I would rather us make runs at Javelle McGee,Mickeal Pietrus,Matt Barnes, Shannon Brown, DJ Augustine etc. basically players who round out the team

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    CB is not our longterm solution at PG and we should not really care what he wants. I know the OP stated the obvious about CB being on the short end of a CP3 acquisition but that fact can't be ignored.

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    Billups would like to be surrounded with "team-players" for
    the remainder of his NBA career as a player (3 years).

    List of team-players that are not stars
    But play hard on both ends of the court

    Players like Maynor & TD at the point
    Harden & Fields at the SG
    Prince & W.Chandler at the SF
    Gibson & Big Baby at the PF
    Marc Gasol & Lopez at the Center

    Half of the NBA star-players come with to
    much damn baggage within their performance.
    Amare is a 25/8 player that refuse to play the PF position
    Carmelo is a 25/6 player that dont participate on defense

    CP3 will leave the "ownerless" Hornets to win a
    Championship Ring with Dwight Howard.

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    Originally Posted by NYallDay
    NO! Let me break it down, you're talking about pieces fitting together and everyone doing a bit of this and a bit of that right.....
    well, all of those players put together wont contribute as much as a CP3 or D12 can do on their own. again it goes back to my point in another thread we need specific skill sets to round out this team. 1-defense/rebounding or 1a-a pure distributor who can CONTROL the game (no one is better at this than CP3)

    none of those players would amount to the impact that D12 would bring, he is simply that dominate.

    But I would take a solid group of players along with Melo and Stat over Paul

    just my opinion

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    Howard has already stated that he would not play for a team that resides in cold climates. I highly doubt he will play for the Knicks.

    We already have 2 great players. We just need decent role players...that our coach will play. D'ant plays a small rotation so a deep bench will just go to waste.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    CB is not our longterm solution at PG and we should not really care what he wants. I know the OP stated the obvious about CB being on the short end of a CP3 acquisition but that fact can't be ignored.
    does not mean what he says is not true....and again the Lakers/Heat anology can't be ignored.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
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    Cavet before we start, Billups would be the odd man out in the event that we did land say a Chris Paul or Deron Williams, I suspect if we somehow got Dwight Howard next year Billups would sign for the vet min and would probably feel that we have all we need to be a championship team!

    Yet, I do not think this is where he is coming from!

    This is a proven winner in this league telling us the fans (who crave the stars so much) and managment who want the stars to generate revenue (although winning teams will make money too!!)

    In the article the comparison with The Heat and The 2004 is made, rememeber them? A super team put together that was going to be completley unstoppable, yet they get taken out (pretty easily) by a unit of players who knew their role.

    Now at the time Detroit had a couple of All Stars (four to be exact) yet none of them were superstars, that team drew lots of comparison to our last Championship squad that boasted 3 All stars and had key players who know their roles.

    The Knicks have 19 million in cap (assuming the cap is the projected 62) and 21 if they don't pick up Douglas' option the Knicks can either add one superstar and sign Feilds for the leftover change or plug wholes

    I would rather us make runs at Javelle McGee,Mickeal Pietrus,Matt Barnes, Shannon Brown, DJ Augustine etc. basically players who round out the team
    i think billups is right... first we already got two stars.... new york.. you make a good point.... if we go after a mcgee and others... we can always swing a trade for a cp3 or d12 or simply trade away a player for and expiring and draft picks to get under the cap.. just because we sign a player to a long term contract doesnt mean we can get rid of him before the end of the sesan.. like we did with felton

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    does not mean what he says is not true....and again the Lakers/Heat anology can't be ignored.
    Meh, if we can get D12 or Cp3 but pass that up to get 3 role players I think that is the WRONG move. Both of the bring superstar power while FILLING needs. Using the Heat as an example...they made it to the finals in their first year together and almost certainly will have a few rings. I'll take that!

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    Originally Posted by moneyg
    i think billups is right... first we already got two stars.... new york.. you make a good point.... if we go after a mcgee and others... we can always swing a trade for a cp3 or d12 or simply trade away a player for and expiring and draft picks to get under the cap.. just because we sign a player to a long term contract doesnt mean we can get rid of him before the end of the sesan.. like we did with felton
    This right here. McGee addresses a HUGE need for us that IMO is our top. He's 7', blocks shots, can rebound, & runs the break.

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    I agree with Billups but unless he can put up a successful year running the point I think his argument will fall on deaf ears with the FO and the fans.

    On the flip if he does do well next season (whenever that is). Could see the Knicks keeping him and focusing on D12 or maybe picking up a collection of good/better players and trying to make a run at it. 2012 has a lot of potential for the Knicks to improve their team greatly.

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    Everybodies gonna jump on the Mavs bandwagon since they won a 'ship?

    smh the Lakers of last year and they 08 celtics woulda sh*tted on dallas

    I still think they had some luck on their side, the Lakers are a lazy team. Who knew Gasol and Odom weren't gonna show up for the series? Not to mention, Kobe's knee is bone to bone

    Chauncey, i respect u but your a fool if you think your in the long term plans. Peace out, welcome Christopher Paul

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Meh, if we can get D12 or Cp3 but pass that up to get 3 role players I think that is the WRONG move. Both of the bring superstar power while FILLING needs. Using the Heat as an example...they made it to the finals in their first year together and almost certainly will have a few rings. I'll take that!
    I would like to agree but, as much as I hate to say it, Miami's two best players are great at both ends of the floor. STAT n' Melo have only established themselves on the offensive end.

    Not hatin,just sayin.

    With the makeup of our core group, going for defensive solid role players is the way to go since STAT n' Melo need all the help they can get to be a good defensive squad. Just like dallas did with Dirk.

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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    I would like to agree but, as much as I hate to say it, Miami's two best players are great at both ends of the floor. STAT n' Melo have only established themselves on the offensive end.

    Not hatin,just sayin.

    With the makeup of our core group, going for defensive solid role players is the way to go since STAT n' Melo need all the help they can get to be a good defensive squad. Just like dallas did with Dirk.
    They are also not complimentary to one another like a combo of Melo, STAT and either D12 or CP3. That 3 is better than Miami IMO. I understand what you are saying but defensive role players can always be found, what can't always be found is a superstar like D12 or CP3. (D12 is a monster defender and CP3 is decent) D12 would instantly give us the best front court in the NBA (probably of all time) or CP3 would just make Melo and STAT monsters while also breaking down the D and scoring himself. How anyone could advocate passing up one these players over filling out our squad with role players that can be found AFTER is beyond me. It's not like these players are in the twilight of their careers leaving us with a short window to build around them. They are all in their prime and even if it took 3 years to round out the roster we would still have plenty of prime years for our "big 3" along with a complete squad.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    They are also not complimentary to one another like a combo of Melo, STAT and either D12 or CP3. That 3 is better than Miami IMO. I understand what you are saying but defensive role players can always be found, what can't always be found is a superstar like D12 or CP3. (D12 is a monster defender and CP3 is decent) D12 would instantly give us the best front court in the NBA (probably of all time) or CP3 would just make Melo and STAT monsters while also breaking down the D and scoring himself. How anyone could advocate passing up one these players over filling out our squad with role players that can be found AFTER is beyond me. It's not like these players are in the twilight of their careers leaving us with a short window to build around them. They are all in their prime and even if it took 3 years to round out the roster we would still have plenty of prime years for our "big 3" along with a complete squad.
    BRAVO! Rounding out the rest of the squad with defensive players would be great, but adding a superstar in CP3 would be phenomenal. He's already said he would take less money to win now, not five or six years down the road before its to late. Chris Paul's assists would touch uncharted territories. Pick N Roll with Amare and then the 'best' scorer in the game on the wing? Come on now.

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