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    Originally Posted by smokes
    I am genuinely starting to get confused and disillusioned with the state of affairs on this board and this organization when we are actually considering Kwame Brown as our free agent C signing for this year.

    I'm not saying we should be looking at Tyson Chandler or Nene or someone out of our league, I'Im saying honestly I would rather start our no. 45 pick or someone from the D-league than this guy.

    I honestly believe Kwame Brown is the result of a lonely road night in the Knicks hotel where Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries decided to get cozy. A legit 7 foot underachiever who cannot hit an open layup or dunk. His lack of hands or dribble mean he is a liability whenever he is thrown the ball. His ability to blow open dunks sucks the life out of the team. He shoots free throws worse than Dwight Howard. THIS GUY HAS NO TANGIBLE BASKETBALL SKILLS WHATSOEVER!!

    Do we honestly think that his 5 rebounds per game or his 0.5 blocks per game are going to make a difference? Even the Gov was putting up better numbers than Kwame Brown whilst being in the doghouse and averaging 13 minutes per game in his first ever NBA season...


    Get use to it!

    Kwame Brown is symbolic...

    He symbolizes who and what type of players we will be forced to sign/acquire in persuit of this 3star dream.

    Only hope is to draft a young cheap asset, and not trade him to acquire "stars".

    This will be our norm.. Kwame Browns and the oldest player(s) in the league like Kurt Thomas.

    That's why I say our next best move(s) is to trade for draft picks, the higher (worse team) the better.

    That way our talent will come cheap and we can then talk about stars (which we have) why spend money on 50/50 vets instead of taking our chances with youth from the draft? Their contracts are regulated, the rules to over the cap are there (maybe), and they have just as much chance to produce, imo.

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    But do we really, honestly want another guy like this on our roster? We should have learned by now. If we got him for a price which was totally insignificant, on a one-year deal, with a spare roster spot and no way it could possibly bite us in the ass I would be ok with it. I just can't see that happening.

    The only possible upside I can see to getting Kwame Brown would be by some miracle some other team with a lack of size and a desire to screw themselves would trade us someone decent for a package which involved him. Or I guess he could do a Zach Randolph/Jermaine O'Neal and actually start to perform to his potential. Stranger things have happened.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Get use to it!

    Kwame Brown is symbolic...

    He symbolizes who and what type of players we will be forced to sign/acquire in persuit of this 3star dream.

    Only hope is to draft a young cheap asset, and not trade him to acquire "stars".

    This will be our norm.. Kwame Browns and the oldest player(s) in the league like Kurt Thomas.

    That's why I say our next best move(s) is to trade for draft picks, the higher (worse team) the better.

    That way our talent will come cheap and we can then talk about stars (which we have) why spend money on 50/50 vets instead of taking our chances with youth from the draft? Their contracts are regulated, the rules to over the cap are there (maybe), and they have just as much chance to produce, imo.
    I'm all for acquiring cheap, young talent - basketball related or otherwise - as well. But we have to consider our window of opportunity. By 2014/15, STAT & Melo's final season under contract, we have to exert every effort to achieve between now and then, plainly because that's the way this organisation operates.

    I have little doubt that long term investing is, as it ever has been, far from the forefront of Lames Colon's puny mind. Especially now that MSG tix have incremented to +50% cost in one greedy bound. Sadly, the rest of us have to adapt to that frame of mind, and ignore the standard approach.

    Sigh.

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    Kwame on a one year deal, in a prime situation to perform and make something out of himself could turn around and surprise us all...

    Our alternatives are not any better. I know people would rather see a Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan or Chris Kaman or something here, but it is totally unreasonable to expect that they would come here for chump change on a 1 year contract. You get what you pay for most times. Kwame will come in and play a role in this season and if he can prove that he has enough to start at Center for us then i'll be thrilled.

    On the upside, he is reportedly in great shape, hungry to prove that he is better then what people think, and willing to come here cheap on a redemption mission.


    If we got him for a price which was totally insignificant, on a one-year deal, with a spare roster spot and no way it could possibly bite us in the ass I would be ok with it. I just can't see that happening.
    That is pretty much what is happening. 1 year deal, not much $$$ and insignificant to the FA chase. Worst that happens is he is as bad as we think and can only give us a few fouls and boards in a couple of minutes each game. Best that happens is he performs to his potential and plays that marc gasol type of defensive game on a nightly basis.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy⑧s
    I'm all for acquiring cheap, young talent - basketball related or otherwise - as well. But we have to consider our window of opportunity. By 2014/15, STAT & Melo's final season under contract, we have to exert every effort to achieve between now and then, plainly because that's the way this organisation operates.

    I have little doubt that long term investing is, as it ever has been, far from the forefront of Lames Colon's puny mind. Especially now that MSG tix have incremented to +50% cost in one greedy bound. Sadly, the rest of us have to adapt to that frame of mind, and ignore the standard approach.

    Sigh.
    Relative to our window of opportunity i'd agree

    -we probably have to go over the cap
    -we inheret little to no margin for error

    This can be done by signing that vet that gets us over the hump for the MLE if available

    But imo we aren't THERE yet

    I like the model of my other two Franchises who have proven themselves: Yankees & Giants

    Their championships included DRAFTED players with a few vet compliments

    Not bought teams. The NBA salary structure is made that way, that basically your "good" "best" players cannot all be proven stars because they cost $

    Drafting talent fills two voids. Talent and production and low cost (efficient) but the risk of not knowing is involved.
    This is why I say a bevy of picks is best so the hit or miss is rduced, and obviously the higher pick further reduces this risk although nothing (draft position) is gauranteed.

    If we see our window NOW, then we know we need defense and size NOW. If we see it for the next few years then young cheap talent is needed. But an expensive Chris Paul will hurt two fold.

    Box us in to having to accpet a Kurt Thomas or over pay a Dalembert or Brown or worse and possibly not addressing our true needs.

    There is no way around this but to acquire quality production through the draft. We must keep or picks going forward, buy more picks, and if need be trade for picks.
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    Originally Posted by Red
    Box us in to having to accpet a Kurt Thomas or over pay a Dalembert or Brown or worse and possibly not addressing our true needs.
    Kurt Thomas can still play solid minutes each game. Look what he contributed to Chicago and Milwaukee as a back-up 5. Pull out the three-headed center again; it does work!

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    Originally Posted by pakopako
    Kurt Thomas can still play solid minutes each game. Look what he contributed to Chicago and Milwaukee as a back-up 5. Pull out the three-headed center again; it does work!
    Very true, that's most most team are doing now anyway.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    If we got him for a price which was totally insignificant, on a one-year deal, with a spare roster spot and no way it could possibly bite us in the ass I would be ok with it. I just can't see that happening.
    Why can't you see that happening?
    You're worried about nothing...the Knicks will not spend valuable cap space on this guy.

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    Originally Posted by Marek
    Why can't you see that happening?
    You're worried about nothing...the Knicks will not spend valuable cap space on this guy.
    Because we are not going to be the only team looking for a free agent C this year... We are also not the most attractive destination when you have teams like Miami and Chicago who are that much closer to a ring than us.

    If there are other teams showing an interest we are going to have to beat their offer by either a) offering more money, or b) offering more years. Either way has the potential to screw us over.

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    I have no idea why Knick fans would want to target a career underachiever draft bust like Kwame Brown, minimum salary or no.

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    Because we don't need him to do that much. We just need him to rebound and guard people, and he's shown himself to be a decent rebounder.

    We're THAT desperate for rebounding.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Because we don't need him to do that much. We just need him to rebound and guard people, and he's shown himself to be a decent rebounder.

    We're THAT desperate for rebounding.
    Then why not Reggie Evans?

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Then why not Reggie Evans?
    Because Evans isn't 7'0" tall. We don't need another undersized big.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Because Evans isn't 7'0" tall. We don't need another undersized big.
    Shouldn't be about size. He wouldn't even be the starter.

    Turiaf/Evans/Kurt Thomas

    or

    Turiaf/Chuck Hayes/Kurt Thomas

    sounds nice to me. Plus we have Josh Harrellson. Who knows how he'll be.

    Sheldon Williams did a nice job against Howard and other games. What about him?

    If you want a center a couple or so inches taller and is young who we know would bring it, it's Dalembert or Howard. Otherwise we should go for actual defense.

    If getting good defensive seven footers were that easy nobody would be saying the league is in shortage of them. We're fortunate enough to have 6'10 Turiaf! Even with those injuries!

    Kurt Thomas has a nice shot outside the paint too so he's brings offense along with defense and rebounding.

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    Originally Posted by ronoranina
    Because Evans isn't 7'0" tall. We don't need another undersized big.
    I'd much rather have a 6'8" PF who can grab me 10 rebounds a game & play quality low post defense backing up STAT than a stiff like Kwame Brown who will struggle to grab rebounds with his tiny hands & has issues with knowing where he needs to be on the floor at any given time just because he's 4 inches taller. That's just me. I'd take Chuck Hayes at 6'6" at the C position before I take Kwame Brown for that matter. Or Jeff Foster even. I don't wanna see any more stiffs out there who have no idea how to play the game of basketball. I wanna see skilled players & players who will give it their all every second they're on the court. Kwame Brown is not that guy & never has been.

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