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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Rondo (so overrated, he's an athletic Brevin Knight)
    Really??? That's your assessment of Rondo?

    He's a triple double threat every night. Your are severely downplaying him!

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Really??? That's your assessment of Rondo?

    He's a triple double threat every night. Your are severely downplaying him!
    A stat-padding goof who isn't defended and plays with three hall of famers and other guys who can hit shots.

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    Originally Posted by STAT1
    top 10 PGs since i've been watching hoops:

    1. Magic
    2. Isiah
    3. Stockton
    4. J Kidd
    5. Payton
    6. Nash
    7. CP3
    8. Derrick Rose
    9. Deron Williams
    10. Tim Hardaway/Mark Jackson (both deserve recognition)


    (Yes, I know Clyde, Cousy, Archibald & the Big O deserve to be on this list, but I'm just ranking guys I've actually seen play)
    No love for KJ Kevin Johnson of the Phoenix Suns?

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    A stat-padding goof who isn't defended and plays with three hall of famers and other guys who can hit shots.
    Wow so because guys can hit shots (because he puts them in great positions to score) you use that as a negative against him???

    "A stat-padding goof" - You've made some good comments in the past but this has to be the dumbest thing you've ever said on this site.

    He's a PG so getting assists is his job.
    He's very active in chasing down rebounds which is a plus for ANY PG.
    He's quick to the basket and can finish very well with both hands

    That there is a stat-padding goof everyone would love to have.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Wow so because guys can hit shots (because he puts them in great positions to score) you use that as a negative against him???

    "A stat-padding goof" - You've made some good comments in the past but this has to be the dumbest thing you've ever said on this site.

    He's a PG so getting assists is his job.
    He's very active in chasing down rebounds which is a plus for ANY PG.
    He's quick to the basket and can finish very well with both hands

    That there is a stat-padding goof everyone would love to have.
    He does stat-pad, and he is a goof. However I never said he's a bad player. He's incredibly overrated.

    He passes up lay-ups to pass. He's pass first because he's that bad at shots. He couldn't be a chucker if he wanted to. Not saying he would be if could shoot, you get my point.

    My thing with him is who is he really making better? I'm not denying he doesn't give his teammates open looks. Does he make players BETTER? Watching guys like Nash, Paul, etc. shows really who makes players better. I don't think Ray Allen, Garnett, and Pierce and Glen Davis need help with scoring.

    If Rondo was anywhere near as good as people hyped him up to be that core would have won more than one championship.

    If you put Jrue Holiday on that team instead of Rondo I bet they'd be significantly better. Put Rondo on the Sixers and they'd be significantly worse.

    I couldn't care less about how many assists in a game he has. Assist stats aren't always the best way to judge a player. I watch what they're DOING to judge.

    He did a great job in the post-season last year. Last season, he did not impress me.

    Again, while I dislike him and the love he gets, I'm not calling him trash. He's WAY overrated.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    He does stat-pad, and he is a goof. However I never said he's a bad player. He's incredibly overrated.

    He passes up lay-ups to pass. He's pass first because he's that bad at shots. He couldn't be a chucker if he wanted to. Not saying he would be if could shoot, you get my point.

    My thing with him is who is he really making better? I'm not denying he doesn't give his teammates open looks. Does he make players BETTER? Watching guys like Nash, Paul, etc. shows really who makes players better. I don't think Ray Allen, Garnett, and Pierce and Glen Davis need help with scoring.

    If Rondo was anywhere near as good as people hyped him up to be that core would have won more than one championship.

    If you put Jrue Holiday on that team instead of Rondo I bet they'd be significantly better. Put Rondo on the Sixers and they'd be significantly worse.


    I couldn't care less about how many assists in a game he has. Assist stats aren't always the best way to judge a player. I watch what they're DOING to judge.

    He did a great job in the post-season last year. Last season, he did not impress me.

    Again, while I dislike him and the love he gets, I'm not calling him trash. He's WAY overrated.
    Exactly.....

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    Good players make their teams better.

    The Phoenix Suns went from horrible to amazing because Steve Nash is just THAT good, he elevates the level of play of his teammates and that's why he's one of the best PGs in the game. Same with Chris Paul - his passing allows David West to put up all-star like stats.

    Rondo is a good player but I don't know if I'd put him in that category just yet.

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    Originally Posted by knicksman20
    No love for KJ Kevin Johnson of the Phoenix Suns?
    He definitely deserves an honorable mention. I'm sure I could come up with a lot of other guys right on the cusp of making that top 10 list. Steve Francis & as loathe as I am to say it, Stephon Marbury are among them.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    I couldn't care less about how many assists in a game he has. Assist stats aren't always the best way to judge a player. I watch what they're DOING to judge.
    Assists are a good way to judge a PG though, which should be one facet they should excel in, and the main area a fan should look.

    And what he is DOING is setting up his team mates for easy ways to score on offense.

    And on defense he is getting a very good amount of steals and rebounds.

    Personally I could care less that Rondo can't shoot, because he usually just takes the high % shot anyway.....a driving layup.

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    Originally Posted by knickscity
    Assists are a good way to judge a PG though, which should be one facet they should excel in, and the main area a fan should look.

    And what he is DOING is setting up his team mates for easy ways to score on offense.

    And on defense he is getting a very good amount of steals and rebounds.

    Personally I could care less that Rondo can't shoot, because he usually just takes the high % shot anyway.....a driving layup.
    This brings me to one of my reasons for not caring about his assists totals. I know he finds his teammates open and everything. To me, teams are way too worried about Garnett, Allen, and Pierce, which allows Rondo to get to do a lot more. In the 2008-2009 season I was watching the Nets play them, they literally let him go to the basket with ease. I didn't understand it at all. It wasn't even like another Celtic was on fire.

    The same thing happened in the Playoffs with us. The commentating was brutal. They kept saying he was so great around the basket and all, but it was the horrible defense. When Anthony Carter FINALLY got his chance, Rondo couldn't do squat against him.

    To me, it is good to not defend Rondo a lot, you also have not give their big three that kind of respect anymore. They're good, but they're not that good now.

    He's gets those high percentage shots not because of his great scoring prowess, he gets them because he's wide open. He gets those assist totals because he'd be taken out of the game if he tried much of anything else.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    This brings me to one of my reasons for not caring about his assists totals. I know he finds his teammates open and everything. To me, teams are way too worried about Garnett, Allen, and Pierce, which allows Rondo to get to do a lot more. In the 2008-2009 season I was watching the Nets play them, they literally let him go to the basket with ease. I didn't understand it at all. It wasn't even like another Celtic was on fire.

    The same thing happened in the Playoffs with us. The commentating was brutal. They kept saying he was so great around the basket and all, but it was the horrible defense. When Anthony Carter FINALLY got his chance, Rondo couldn't do squat against him.

    To me, it is good to not defend Rondo a lot, you also have not give their big three that kind of respect anymore. They're good, but they're not that good now.

    He's gets those high percentage shots not because of his great scoring prowess, he gets them because he's wide open. He gets those assist totals because he'd be taken out of the game if he tried much of anything else.
    Teams give Rondo a window to shoot because it kills Boston's offensive flow.

    When we did it, we were able to stay in the game with Boston.

    When we closed out on Rondo, even though he didn't score, he set up Ray Allen in particular who was shooting over 50& from three.

    So pick your poison........

    A 50% layup from Rondo or.......

    an uncontested jumper most likely a three from Pierce or Ray.

    Rondo is a good pg, plain and simple.

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    Originally Posted by knickscity
    Teams give Rondo a window to shoot because it kills Boston's offensive flow.

    When we did it, we were able to stay in the game with Boston.

    When we closed out on Rondo, even though he didn't score, he set up Ray Allen in particular who was shooting over 50& from three.

    So pick your poison........

    A 50% layup from Rondo or.......

    an uncontested jumper most likely a three from Pierce or Ray.

    Rondo is a good pg, plain and simple.
    He is. As I said, I won't say he's not good.

    We played bad defense on Allen. We could have significantly reduced Allen's open shots while not letting Rondo do that much. Of course not having Billups and Stoudemire hurt us. We could have done a lot more if we were a good defensive team.

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    Originally Posted by knickscity
    Assists are a good way to judge a PG though, which should be one facet they should excel in, and the main area a fan should look.

    And what he is DOING is setting up his team mates for easy ways to score on offense.

    And on defense he is getting a very good amount of steals and rebounds.

    Personally I could care less that Rondo can't shoot, because he usually just takes the high % shot anyway.....a driving layup.
    this is the right kind of thinking on rondo..

    he's one of the best pgs in the league.
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    this is the right kind of thinking on rondo..

    he's one of the best the league pgs in the league.
    Yeah if not THE BEST. Why? Cause he is the best defensive PG in the league and the best passer in the league. Ok Nash averaged more assists (barely 0.2 more to be exact), but Suns play at much higher pace which means there are more posessions for Nash to record an assists. Also Rondo averaged more than 12 assists per game when he got injured in the regular season. He is not the best shooter, but shoots high % from the field because he rcognize this and attacks the basket all the time.

    Imagine him playing for the Knicks...oh boy...we would be instant 50 win team. He is so much better than that overrated ***** Billups who chucks 3's all the time and can't even average 6 assists per game for his career.

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    Originally Posted by InGodsHands
    Yeah if not THE BEST. Why? Cause he is the best defensive PG in the league and the best passer in the league. Ok Nash averaged more assists (barely 0.2 more to be exact), but Suns play at much higher pace which means there are more posessions for Nash to record an assists. Also Rondo averaged more than 12 assists per game when he got injured in the regular season. He is not the best shooter, but shoots high % from the field because he rcognize this and attacks the basket all the time.

    Imagine him playing for the Knicks...oh boy...we would be instant 50 win team. He is so much better than that overrated ***** Billups who chucks 3's all the time and can't even average 6 assists per game for his career.
    Nash lead the Suns to 40 wins without Amar'e last season. Rondo isn't in the same league as him. Nor is he close to Paul and Deron Williams.

    I'll take Billups over Rondo any day of the week.

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