I've been following this forum, and I'm tired of the Kobe hate. Before he signed with the Lakers, we all watched reports saying he could potentially come to the Knicks and wished they were true. And with the rape thing, the bi#%h backed out because in order to go to his bank account, you gotta press formal charges with the DA. Then drop that suit, go civil trial = PAYDAY!! And if you win MVP, that's great, but personally I'd rather win a ring. Ben Wallace, Isiah Thomas, James Worthy are all cats that have won rings, but no MVP's. Based on that criteria Tmac, Franchise. Jermaine O'Neal aren't that great cause like Kobe they've never won an MVP either. Starbury is great, Kobe is the more talented player. If you don't believe that go ask his 3 NBA titles and his career stats are better in every category. Check NBA.com. Yeah, he had Shaq on his team, but the Lakers didn't win till Kobe came into his own. So I guess Shaq won cause he had Kobe as well. Remember the Lakers didn't win with Jones Van Exel and Shaq as a tandem. Yeah I'll know they be hate shot my way, but I'm ready.