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    Howard then Williams then Paul.

    I'm too concerned about Paul's knee to give him a big deal. I feel his knee will become bone-on-bone eventually and make him ineffective. Howard solves rebounding and defense problems just by himself. Deron is a bigger PG who can score in almost every way and is very good at setting up teammates.

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    Originally Posted by Sage
    Why would anyone turn down a 3 time defensive player of the year in a league that's short of centres?
    Ask knickscity. lol

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    CP3, best PG in the NBA.

    We already got a C/PF in Amare and a SF/PF in Melo.

    Passing/Ball Movement/Speed/Perimeter defense are big weaknesses, and those are hard weaknesses to fill in.

    This league is favoring guards more than big men anyway. Dwight looks like the type who can get a freak injury with the way he plays. Rather invest in CP3.

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    D12 is the most dominant center in the game right now. If he ever put together his offensive game he would probably rule the court and no one could stop him. If he was playing in NY with MDA's offense he'd have more opportunities to see the ball on that end of the court and could get better. Maybe he could also convince the knicks to sign Ewing to a coaching role... defensive specialist perhaps?

    Outside of coaching, i think that he would mesh with melo and stat nicely because both melo and STAT like the high post for the pick n roll or swinging in from the wing. D12 would be the force in the paint with amar'e being a good help defender and Melo locking down his man, opposing SF-PF-C's would not be able to get points.


    However i feel that CP3 will be a Knick next season and that with any of the 3 players mentioned, our team would be the team to beat. Dwill is a surprisingly strong PG with post moves. CP3 is a great defender and floor general who i think would do a lot for the direction of the team, especially on defense where STAT and others get confused. Having that vocal player on the floor directing the D is huge, especially on a team that lacks that presence.

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    How can you not pick superman? If the pic displaying him flying thru the hallways with a Pepsi vending machine strap to his trunks wasn't impressive enough...just think about what he can do for the Knicks in the paint. He can pass, block, and shoot the shorty's. Billups/Douglas can easily make a choice of 3 targets in Stat Melo and Howard.
    EXACTAMENTE!

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    I pick D-12. I've said many times that my perfect scenario is signing D-12 and then getting Steve Nash for the veteran's minimum to create the greatest team of all time.
    MAS EXACTAMENTE!!

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    Originally Posted by Sage
    Why would anyone turn down a 3 time defensive player of the year in a league that's short of centres?
    The same way "how can anyone turn down the pg who compliments two of the league's best scorers?

    Chris Paul is the most complete PG in the NBA, no different than Howard is the best defensive Center.

    CP3 makes scrubs look superb, and has had to do that his whole career so far.

    Dwight anchors a defense that to take that lightly, but their are lots of centers who do that as well and can be had for far cheaper.

    But to truly build around Stat, Melo, and the "role players" the first priority to me would be that floor general.

    I'm not knocking anyone for choosing Dwight, and if we were to have him I'd actually try to trade Amar'e for him, and still get CP3.

    ***Yes I'm cold like that***

    To me, the successful teams have that penetrating pg who can break down any defense...and serviceable bigs who hold the post.

    I'm not opposed to Dwight at all, just isn't my choice, and the main reason why..... his duty on this team can be filled by a collective group of bigs for far less, like the majority of good teams have done.

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    Originally Posted by knickscity
    The same way "how can anyone turn down the pg who compliments two of the league's best scorers?

    Chris Paul is the most complete PG in the NBA, no different than Howard is the best defensive Center.

    CP3 makes scrubs look superb, and has had to do that his whole career so far.

    Dwight anchors a defense that to take that lightly, but their are lots of centers who do that as well and can be had for far cheaper.

    But to truly build around Stat, Melo, and the "role players" the first priority to me would be that floor general.

    I'm not knocking anyone for choosing Dwight, and if we were to have him I'd actually try to trade Amar'e for him, and still get CP3.

    ***Yes I'm cold like that***

    To me, the successful teams have that penetrating pg who can break down any defense...and serviceable bigs who hold the post.

    I'm not opposed to Dwight at all, just isn't my choice, and the main reason why..... his duty on this team can be filled by a collective group of bigs for far less, like the majority of good teams have done.
    Other than the 90s Bulls, who had Jordan and Pippen, it hasn't happened, how do you expect us to get enough defense with Chris Paul? Our two superstars as it is hasn't brought much defense.

    Unless we get someone such as Dalembert or Kaman, Turiaf is as good as it gets at center if not Dwight Howard. There's a reason why good centers are said to be rare today. Collective big men isn't gonna cut it. If you find me another Turiaf who's healthy and both will be on the Knicks then you might have something.

    I know you said you'd be fine with Howard. I'm not ignoring that. I also realize last season the flow of offense wasn't great. First, if we have D'Antoni still, our team chemistry will probably be better on offense. If we don't improve, get a new coach. Someone such as Rick Adelman plus a defensive assistant. No reason we can't be an offensive firepower with STAT and Melo as our only superstars.

    D'Antoni's offensive coaching is overhyped like D'Antoni overhyped Gallinari's shooting (at least Gallinari is a good basketball player, I don't know if D'Antoni is even a decent coach).

    Fisher isn't great at penetration and he won some rings. If we add Howard and re-sign Billups we can record high isos per game and we'd still be a monster.
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    Originally Posted by knickscity
    The same way "how can anyone turn down the pg who compliments two of the league's best scorers?

    Chris Paul is the most complete PG in the NBA, no different than Howard is the best defensive Center.

    CP3 makes scrubs look superb, and has had to do that his whole career so far.

    Dwight anchors a defense that to take that lightly, but their are lots of centers who do that as well and can be had for far cheaper.

    But to truly build around Stat, Melo, and the "role players" the first priority to me would be that floor general.

    I'm not knocking anyone for choosing Dwight, and if we were to have him I'd actually try to trade Amar'e for him, and still get CP3.

    ***Yes I'm cold like that***

    To me, the successful teams have that penetrating pg who can break down any defense...and serviceable bigs who hold the post.

    I'm not opposed to Dwight at all, just isn't my choice, and the main reason why..... his duty on this team can be filled by a collective group of bigs for far less, like the majority of good teams have done.
    I completely get what you're saying, but in regards to the question being "who would you rather have", which I've interpreted as "what one of these players would most improve the team", I look at it from the point of view of:

    - STAT and Melo aren't the most defensive minded players in the NBA, so having the 3 and 4 positions defending poorly could be helped by a very defensive 5.

    - Dwight Howard is a defensive player of the year (3x defending, no pun intended).

    - Out of our 2 existing superstars, one likes to iso and the other likes mid range J's and driving, is a superstar PG really necessary to facilitate that?

    - By the end of last year we had zero (0, none, ziltch) 7 footers on the playing roster, and it killed us.

    Again, just my opinion of why I'd choose the best centre in the league over anyone. We all know D'Antoni likes playing small ball so this would probably never happen anyway.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Other than the 90s Bulls, who had Jordan and Pippen, it hasn't happened, how do you expect us to get enough defense with Chris Paul? Our two superstars as it is hasn't brought much defense.
    You do realize that Jordan and Pip were good defenders, and always had a defensive minded pg?

    With our guys we need our 1, 2, and 5 spot to be defensive minded.

    Howard is defensive minded, but also is offensive minded which would actually be a no-no.

    Our Center(s) have to be defensive first with good hands on offense, and there are plenty who can do it for 20-30 minutes a night.

    CP3 is one of the best defensive PG's in the league, as far as forcing turnovers and steals.

    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Unless we get someone such as Dalembert or Kaman, Turiaf is as good as it gets at center if not Dwight Howard. There's a reason why good centers are said to be rare today. Collective big men isn't gonna cut it. If you find me another Turiaf who's healthy and both will be on the Knicks then you might have something.
    I don't consider Turiaf to be a good center, but he is adequate.

    Give me another 2 or three guys who can bring his energy on a 20+ minute basis.

    If we can just limit a opponents offensive rebounds, and get a few ourselves, which really was our true problem last season, that alone would improve our allowed ppg.

    Guys like Reggie Evans, Dally, or Chuck Hayes would be ideal in a one year deal along with Turiaf, and Jorts if he can crack the rotation.

    I truly feel from watching teams of today that a "center by committee" can be just as successful as having one dominant one, especially when you already have two major offensive weapons.

    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    I know you said you'd be fine with Howard. I'm not ignoring that. I also realize looking at last season that the flow of offense wasn't great. First, if we have D'Antoni still, our team chemistry will probably be better on offense. If we don't improve, get a new coach. Someone such as Rick Adelman pus a defensive assistant.
    Adelman emphasizes both sides of the court, he'd be my choice.

    But with D'antoni, he needs a floor general who can spread floor by making open shots, and quick easy buckets.

    His offense lives and dies by it.

    That's why he was so successful with Nash, and when Felton started to get in a groove the team rang up wins.

    Chauncey is NOT his type of PG, and Dwight is not his type of center.

    But I don't see D'antoni being here past this season anyway, and like I've said I'm not opposed to Dwight, just not my first choice.


    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    D'Antoni offensive coaching is overhyped like D'Antoni overhyped Gallinari's shooting (at least Gallinari is a good basketball player, I don't know if D'Antoni is even a decent coach).
    D'antoni is better than decent, come on now.

    I hate his sub patterns and quirky rotations, but the guy can bring out the offense in almost anyone.

    I don't want him because of his blatant disregard and stubborness for defense.

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    Good points, and they are well taken.

    Originally Posted by Sage
    I completely get what you're saying, but in regards to the question being "who would you rather have", which I've interpreted as "what one of these players would most improve the team", I look at it from the point of view of:

    - STAT and Melo aren't the most defensive minded players in the NBA, so having the 3 and 4 positions defending poorly could be helped by a very defensive 5.

    - Dwight Howard is a defensive player of the year (3x defending, no pun intended).

    - Out of our 2 existing superstars, one likes to iso and the other likes mid range J's and driving, is a superstar PG really necessary to facilitate that?

    - By the end of last year we had zero (0, none, ziltch) 7 footers on the playing roster, and it killed us.

    Again, just my opinion of why I'd choose the best centre in the league over anyone. We all know D'Antoni likes playing small ball so this would probably never happen anyway.
    Yes I do think an elite pg would be needed to facilitate for Amar'e and Melo.

    I don't Ramon Sessions could do it full-time...as an example.

    We didn't have any bigs at the end of the season, but we really didn't have any all season....Moz caught on in glimpses, for the most part.

    Personally though I don't see D'antoni here much longer, so which ever direction we go would be moving forward with or without him.

    I'm sure Grunwald isn't gonna pass on Dwight because of D'antoni, like Walsh did not signing Earl Barron.

    He has already made it clear...all acquisitions will be based on defense.

    Can't be mad at that.....

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    Yes, I do realize Jordan and Pippen had defense. That's why I brought it up. STAT and Melo need help. Chris Paul isn't defending big men.

    We won't be able to afford Dalembert with Chris Paul, maybe not even Chuck Hayes. We might be able to get Reggie Evans, does that help enough to convince you Chris Paul is a better option?

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Yes, I do realize Jordan and Pippen had defense. That's why I brought it up. STAT and Melo need help. Chris Paul isn't defending big men.

    We won't be able to afford Dalembert with Chris Paul, maybe not even Chuck Hayes. We might be able to get Reggie Evans, does that help enough to convince you Chris Paul is a better option?
    If the Heat have been on Dally hunt for the whole season, I think we have a shot.

    My point the rebounding, and post defense and Turiaf/Evans/Dally could hold that down.

    But there are really alot of guys out there that can help solve that problem up front, even if Dally wasn't available.

    Teams have shown "center by committee" works well in this game today.

    But we also need elite playmaking, defense, and penetration in the back court too, and an average pg would not do it, and I don't see Billups past this season either.

    If I had a perfect scenario......

    I'd trade Amar'e for Dwight, and still sign CP3.

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    If I had a perfect scenario......

    I'd trade Amar'e for Dwight, and still sign CP3.
    Interesting. But I'm not sure if I would trade STAT for D12. SUre, Dwight is better, but trading away the guy who brought us back to the playoffs? No way, Jose

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    Originally Posted by MeloforMayor
    Interesting. But I'm not sure if I would trade STAT for D12. SUre, Dwight is better, but trading away the guy who brought us back to the playoffs? No way, Jose
    I'm a fan of the team first and foremost.

    I respect what Amar'e did in his first season, but it was just one season.

    And let's not pretend that the Knicks would turn down any deal for Dwight.

    But here is a question though......

    Which would be closer to a ring?

    Amar'e-Melo-Howard?

    CP3-Melo-Howard?

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