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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Do you think maybe the season would just end later? If it's a few games, might as well have the full season, unless the already made schedules would make this too difficult.

    I thought about that too, but I dunno. That would effect the offseason timetable as well. Not a bad idea tho, I wouldn't mind seeing that.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    I thought about that too, but I dunno. That would effect the offseason timetable as well. Not a bad idea tho, I wouldn't mind seeing that.
    Well your first post gave me at least some hope nuckles!

    This lockout happened at the worst possible time for us Knick fans. We're competitive again and all....a 07-08 lockout would have been ok

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    Well your first post gave me at least some hope nuckles!

    This lockout happened at the worst possible time for us Knick fans. We're competitive again and all....a 07-08 lockout would have been ok
    A 2000-2010 lockout would have been ok.

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    A 2000-2010 lockout would have been ok.
    @ that post Amare

    I actually enjoyed watching us until Isiah arrived and destroyed us.

    So a 2004-2010 lockout would have been ok

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    If we missed say 5-7 games in november which would be an extension of two weeks to prepare for the seasion, they would definitely add those 5-7 games into the season, i.e. more back to back games, and a few 4 games in 5 night scenarios. It can be worked out.

    if you have 30 some what teams, missing 5-7 games each
    thats a combined 15 match ups being missed at a range of 90-100 total games.

    been 3 years and alot of pints of sam adams since I graduated school; so if my math is wrong I apologize; but I think you get the idea that the NBA would be losing a significant amount of revenue cross league; if they didnt make up for something as small as 5-7 games a team.

    I am feeling confident that we will have a season.
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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Running is not the problem, early perimeter shots can be an issue. If we play a team like the Cs, who don't crash the offensive board, but instead gets back on D and rely on high percentage shots in the half court, they'll be able to contend with us running, and also crash the defensive boards to make us go one-and-done. Getting a stop on defense means nothing if you push the ball up the court, put up an early jumper, and can't get the rebound because your rebounders haven't established any sort of position because they're either not in a spot to do so, or they are being boxed out, etc.

    I don't see a problem with running as long as we're running to the rim, and not settling for the first open three, with very little chance of grabbing a board. I also want to see the team develop an offense that can compete with a team that slows the game down, and creates fewer possessions. The more tools in the tool-belt, the better chance of success.

    Those things have nothing to do with defense. They're team philosophy, and I for one, am tired of being a fan of a team that "lives by the 3, and dies by the 3." I want my team to be the one that can give it to you from the inside, outside, defensively, or a combo of all 3. There seriously shouldn't be any argument against that. But the past few years tells us that MDA wants his system to be the victor with very little outside influence. I can't tell anyone what the future will hold, but the Knicks need a culture change to get to the top, not just an assistant coach to take over defense and teach the fundamentals of helping the helper.

    I guess we'll see what happens when the lockout ends.
    Mike Dantoni's final season.... Woodson is more
    than just the assistant headcoach of defense.

    Im predictin a 50+ season.

    Woodson & Joe Johnson put the Hawks "team" on the map the
    past 4 seasons.....imagine what "Woodson & Billups" could do to
    the Knicks in the next two seasons???
    Woodson is not alergic to playing bigmen for an inside game or new to
    recruiting decent bigmen.

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    Some quality posts by all in this thread but particularly from Red and nuckles. A fast paced system does not have to equate to poor defense. All it effects is PPG, which really shouldn't be a valid indicator of how good a team is defensively. If we can be in the middle in terms of opponents fg%, and lead in other categories such as steals, blocked shots and the one category that I feel hurt us the most last season, rebounds...we will be one of the best teams in the league combined with our offense. I mean, who cares if we win 115-107 or 87-82?

    So, can Woodson make enough of an impact in our opponents fg% and rebounds? Certainly, but what it will really take is for our "stars" to buy into it and lead by example. If not, it doesn't matter who we have at coach. George Karl really struggled to get Melo to commit to defense and we all know how awful Amare is at man-to-man defense and rebounding. They both talk a nice game, but need to show it on the court consistently for the Knicks to have any chance. It's about effort with those two, nothing more.
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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    Some quality posts by all in this thread but particularly from Red and nuckles. A fast paced system does not have to equate to poor defense. All it effects is PPG, which really shouldn't be a valid indicator of how good a team is defensively. If we can be in the middle in terms of opponents fg%, and lead in other categories such as steals, blocked shots and the one category that I feel hurt us the most last season, rebounds...we will be one of the best teams in the league combined with our offense. I mean, who cares if we win 115-107 or 87-82?

    So, can Woodson make enough of an impact in our opponents fg% and rebounds? Certainly, but what it will really take is for our "stars" to buy into it and lead by example. If not, it doesn't matter who we have at coach. George Karl really struggled to get Melo to commit to defense and we all know how awful Amare is at man-to-man defense and rebounding. They both talk a nice game, but need to show it on the court consistently for the Knicks to have any chance. It's about effort with those two, nothing more.
    Hopefully now that Amar'e has pressure off him on offense with Melo and Billups, he can at least get back to his blocking shots form. Blocked shots, is obviously a positive on defense, and brings energy to the team. The Amar'e Blocking Shots Spree was also the stretch when we were doing good.

    Hopefully we get Reggie Evans at the vet. minimum. That game against the Cavs two days after the trade was dreadful with the rebounding, even for a new team.

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    Yeah, Reggie Evans would be a good player for us to have. Having Reggie Evans would take us from being a below-average rebounding team to being a slightly above average one, and that could do wonders for us.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    As of today, I don't believe that there will be a 11-12 season...Chandler signed for a Chinese team, with no option to terminate the contract. Surely he must be 100% sure that there will be no season...

    So we'll have to wait over a year to see Melo, STAT and Douglas back in action at MSG. Will be a long long time.....
    do you really think Wilson Chandler wants to play in Denver?

    He is going to be a big time player in a chinese league because of his skill but more importantly, his name. Playing with NY for many years made people in China know who he is. Melo left Denver because he saw NY as the Meccaand Denver as some random place he didnt belong anymore, Chandler has NY engraved in him. He will try to be a Knick again.

    So I think Chandler knew he might have Gallinari taking his starting spot, so he goes to China, tears the league up and gets a nice contract. We've seen even average players get good deals because of a good experience over seas, just look at Josh Childress; contract, one he didnt deserve. Imagine what Chandler will get in the 12-13 season.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    do you really think Wilson Chandler wants to play in Denver?

    He is going to be a big time player in a chinese league because of his skill but more importantly, his name. Playing with NY for many years made people in China know who he is. Melo left Denver because he saw NY as the Meccaand Denver as some random place he didnt belong anymore, Chandler has NY engraved in him. He will try to be a Knick again.

    So I think Chandler knew he might have Gallinari taking his starting spot, so he goes to China, tears the league up and gets a nice contract. We've seen even average players get good deals because of a good experience over seas, just look at Josh Childress; contract, one he didnt deserve. Imagine what Chandler will get in the 12-13 season.
    This is actually a really good point. I just assumed Wilson was blazed out of his mind and said "you know what would be funny....if I signed in a Chinaman league...yea, let's go do dat."

    But I could see this as a likely scenario too.

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    Maybe he likes Chinese girls.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    do you really think Wilson Chandler wants to play in Denver?

    He is going to be a big time player in a chinese league because of his skill but more importantly, his name. Playing with NY for many years made people in China know who he is. Melo left Denver because he saw NY as the Meccaand Denver as some random place he didnt belong anymore, Chandler has NY engraved in him. He will try to be a Knick again.

    So I think Chandler knew he might have Gallinari taking his starting spot
    , so he goes to China, tears the league up and gets a nice contract. We've seen even average players get good deals because of a good experience over seas, just look at Josh Childress; contract, one he didnt deserve. Imagine what Chandler will get in the 12-13 season.
    You do know that Chandler is a FA right? He doesn't have to play in Denver.

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    You do know that Chandler is a FA right? He doesn't have to play in Denver.
    There is a big difference between a restricted FA vs unrestricted FA......

    do you really think Wilson Chandler wants to play in Denver?

    Hell No! Nuggets plus George Karl is bad news.

    So I think Chandler knew he might have Gallinari taking his starting spot

    I doubt that....Gallo will never be as good as Wilson Chandler.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    I doubt that....Gallo will never be as good as Wilson Chandler.
    I know you are not a Gallo fan, but did you see him in the FIBA EuroBasket tournament. Andrea Bargnani and Marco Belinelli both choked. Gallo didn't. I was really impressed with his performance especially the way he drew fouls against Nowitzki, getting him into trouble within 15 minutes.

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