Probably he just wants to keep his players sticking together and not even try to think about accepting owners' conditions, which is going to be easy until most of them have some savings or other source of income...
2 weeks, WTF? how many jobs are going to be lost, how many lost wages, how many lost games??? these ballers are part of the 1%, right up there with wall streeters and bankers. the 99% are the people who watch the games and provide the impetus for advertising that brings in $$ for tv and radio and satellite that goes to the owners and players.
i reiterate, i do not agree that the players should make more than the owners, in what industry in the world does this occur, where the hired hands demand to make the same money as the owners? WTF?
i blame the union, and i especially blame the agents who do next to nothing but negotiate and make millions upon millions of dollars, change the landscape of teams so them and their players can make a little more, destroy team cohesion and city unification. WTF?
when the damn MTA in New York went on strike so they could make more money and get more benefits from an already attractive package, they put millions of commuters into chaos. i was so pissed it took me so long to commute, hitch rides, walking across bridges, just to get to my stinking 9-5 job. damn greediness causing millions to suffer. WTF?
is this any different? basketball players and agents already make too much money. James Dolan raised the bar on salaries when he gave Allan Houston (we have a problem) 100MillionDollars!! that became the status quo, and it has gone beyond ridiculous. ticket prices have soared, cable companies asking for more money... the consumer pays the price, the consumer loses basketball, the consumer loses jobs and money to pay the bills. all because a few hundred athletes demand to make millions more than they are already making? WTF?
Most of the teams in the NBA are NOT making a profit, yet the players continue to be paid the highest salaries in the world.
David Stern needs to make it happen, he's obviously a shill for the owners, he needs to get off his fat ass, crack that whip on both sides and bring back basketball asap!
Oct. 16 or 17 (Monday or Tuesday) the CBA meeting will have a
Federal mediator (George Cohen) to help the two sides (owners & players)
come to an agreement to end this lockout. Cohen also help the negotiation
to end the NFL lockout.
Does a "hard-cap" help the NBA?Hunter said during the interview that it was Stern's plan from the
beginning to have a lockout.
"David Stern promised me a lockout three years ago," Hunter said
to WFAN's Mike Francesa. "That was their plan all along."
One of the major issues in the lockout has been the split of basketball-
related income. The owners want players to agree to a 47 percent share,
while the players apparently aren't willing to go below 53 percent.
The structure of the league's economic system, though is apparently what's
largely to blame for the labor strife such as a hard salary cap, which the
owners have apparently softened their stance on. If the union accept
anything under 53% of BRI for the next 5 seasons this would make the
collective bargian agreement a "Hard-Cap" with the potential of talent
decreasing on small-market teams under the salary cap.
The NBA lockout, of course, began on July 1 after the most recent labor
deal between the sides expired.
I dont see the hard-cap helping to increase the fan-base on
small market teams within the next 3 seasons.
I watched the Houston Rockets have 2 above 500 season
with their two top players injured for each season. The Rockets
fan-base kept decreasing b/c Yao & T-Mac were Fan-Favorites
in Houston. A Hard-Cap would keep the Rockets unable to afford
a superstar player in a conference full of superstar players.
As a Knicks-Fan the hard-cap will murder the growth of our new
situation of building (around our 2 new superstars) to become a
top-contender team within the next two seasons.
The Hardcap will make the Miami Heat "paycut" Big-3 a Dynasty-Team
for the next 5 seasons, star role-players will take a paycut to join up
with the Miami Heat each of the next 5 seasons.
"athletic-performance" is what the Owners & NBA Stern sells to the public.
Kobe is the prime grade A steak, Gasol is the big shrimps, Odom, Bynum,
Fisher are all the side dishes that comes along with the steak dinner to
make it the most popular dish in a "Steak House" restaurant thats the
top in the neighborhood.
CoolClyde.....u r asking the restaurant owner to buy cheaper grade steaks,
small shrimp, and cheap side dishes to go along with this dinner, plus charge
the same price.
Do u think Buss or the restaurant owner care about its competitors financial problems???
i don't know if i agree with kiya, but now i'm hungry....
I can't really speak on this topic for 2 reasons, 1: i'm ignorant of the facts, as are most people aside from stern, owners and d. fisher/billy hunter. 2) it makes me so damn mad!!!! Just get back to work and play some ****in basketball already you lazy, greedy ****s!!
Stern: If no deal early next week, whole season in jeopardy
NEW YORK - NBA commissioner David Stern said Thursday that if significant progress toward a new collective bargaining agreement isn't reached by early next week - following the first scheduled session with mediator George Cohen - that the remainder of the 2011-12 NBA season may be in jeopardy.
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I do not think the public --that's us -- has any real knowledge about what is going on in the negotiations. But there does appear to be a substantial divide.
The current focus seems to be on the BRI revenue split and a hardcap or its functional eqivalent --the punitive luxury tax.
In my view these two issues are related. Let us assume a hard cap or a punitive luxury tax that starts at $60M. Let us also assume $4 billion in BRI and for ease of the arithmetic a BRI split of 50/50. That would mean a players' share of $2 billion.
There are 30 teams, if each team maxes out at $60M, the total is only $1.8 billion. That would leave $200M for "bonus" distribution to the players which would presumably be divided by the percentage proportion that each player's salary corresponds to the total salary pool. For example, a player whose salary is $10M would get twice the bonus of the player whose salary is $5M.
If there is going to be a distribution of income based on relative salary, why do the players oppose a hard cap or its luxury tax equivalent? There is still a division of one BRI pie. One possible answer -- it will diminish salaries at the top, the salaries for the stars who have in the past greatly benefitted from the foolishness of the owners. But how many union members have a chance at the mega salary?
Assuming that all the appropriate income is included in the BRI, the BRI split is likley to be the most important issue to the players as a whole. If the split is fair, then everyone is rewarded by increasing BRI numbers. Except to the extent that it diminishes the BRI, it does not matter how badly the individual owners operate their own franchises.
Other issues -- such as the length of players' contracts, guaranteed contracts, increases in contracts from year to year -- also appear to be relatively unimportant if there is agreement on the revenue split. Do the owners really care how the players divide their split among themselves -- it is always going to be the same percentage of whatever BRI total appears? Of course, there may be relatively subtle issues regarding competition and growing the league and the BRI so there continues to be additional income. I do not know how these issues can be negotiated, but, again assuming an appropriate split, the players and owners have a common interest in growth.
A final note, I remain concerned that the union is paying too much attention to the division among the players of their share of the BRI for the purpose of maintaining or increasing what the stars can earn. Granted they should get a substantial premium,but how substantial?
Old Timer......I have to give u big-props for your clairity of the situation
plus making some great points on the direction of a 50-50 split.
I agree with u on the public "us" being ignorant to the close-door negotiating
meetings since July 1st.
I dont know where to start.....there has been a 2 month strike on "Wall St."
b/c wealthy people are squezing the market the same way the NBA (30) owners
are trying to squeze the (450) players out of a few $100M per season.
When are the "wealthy" people in this country who pulled the majority
of their money out of the market in the past decade going to put
their money back into the market for the growth of this country? the
job market and employees has been decreasing each year for the past
decade, while the population of people has been widely increasing.
The last three seasons before the "Lebron James Decision" the NBA salary
cap kept being reduce each of those 3 season from the low revenue each
season. This was do to our country being in a decade of a great recession
from our "wealthy" people pulling their money out of the market (Martha
Stewart) do to the crises of the "Wall St." market taking big hits from the
chaos of so many multi-billion dollar crashes (like lined up cards falling).....
the downfall of our country billion $$$ energy company Enron, falling
World Trade Buildings, spending 250 billion on war in Iraq, the evacuation of
New Orleans & Louisiana, to 35% of the homes in this country in forecloser, ect., ect..
Im a regular ticket buyer (not Spike Lee) I get paid every two weeks, on
every other payday I spend my lunch break is in MSG to buy good (orange-
yellow) seat tickets to see star-player oponents vs Knicks.....Howard, CP3,
Durant, Rose, Duncan, Nash, Dirk, and Griffin....no matter how early I get to
MSG last year to buy tickets for the Knicks vs Miami, or Lakers, or Boston
games they were already sold out months in advance (even the upper-upper
seats). So that should answer why the star players should receive substantial-premium.
u and so many others have only been doing the math on 50-50 split, but no
one has yet been optimistic to believe in a 2011-12 increase in revenue
from the huge increase of the 2010-11 season revenue. Why is that?
The same way I could not get tickets months inadvance to see my Knicks vs
Lakers, Miami, Boston, b/c they were sold out imagine what its going to be
like in 2011-12 season for me to get tickets to see the "Mavs, OKC, Grizzlies,
Bulls, and the Cavs coach Byron Scott who beat us all 4 games last season
having 2 first round 2011 draft picks". The soft-cap paid off big-time
lastseason with the players receiving 57% of the revenue with brilliant
headcoaches getting the majority of the regular season wins over the
tandem & trio of star-players.
The Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Boozer, Butler, Chandler, Perkins, Gerald Wallace,
Carmelo & Billups (2010) move set a new stage in making the NBA future
teams better from watching the 2007-8 to 2009-10 trio of star-players
chemistry from Boston and Lakers.
Now it should be perfectly clear on how much u pay a player on their
performance vs the above star-teams oponents.....