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    New meeting with the players this Friday

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    Originally Posted by rady
    New meeting with the players this Friday

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    That's Hunter meeting with his players, unless the players tell him let's settle this on the owners terms (not going to happen) nothing is going to happen on Friday to change anything.

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    Probably he just wants to keep his players sticking together and not even try to think about accepting owners' conditions, which is going to be easy until most of them have some savings or other source of income...

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    Originally Posted by tiger0330
    That's Hunter meeting with his players, unless the players tell him let's settle this on the owners terms (not going to happen) nothing is going to happen on Friday to change anything.
    I agree, that is not gonna happen.

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    Default 2 weeks wtf?

    2 weeks, WTF? how many jobs are going to be lost, how many lost wages, how many lost games??? these ballers are part of the 1%, right up there with wall streeters and bankers. the 99% are the people who watch the games and provide the impetus for advertising that brings in $$ for tv and radio and satellite that goes to the owners and players.

    i reiterate, i do not agree that the players should make more than the owners, in what industry in the world does this occur, where the hired hands demand to make the same money as the owners? WTF?

    i blame the union, and i especially blame the agents who do next to nothing but negotiate and make millions upon millions of dollars, change the landscape of teams so them and their players can make a little more, destroy team cohesion and city unification. WTF?

    when the damn MTA in New York went on strike so they could make more money and get more benefits from an already attractive package, they put millions of commuters into chaos. i was so pissed it took me so long to commute, hitch rides, walking across bridges, just to get to my stinking 9-5 job. damn greediness causing millions to suffer. WTF?

    is this any different? basketball players and agents already make too much money. James Dolan raised the bar on salaries when he gave Allan Houston (we have a problem) 100MillionDollars!! that became the status quo, and it has gone beyond ridiculous. ticket prices have soared, cable companies asking for more money... the consumer pays the price, the consumer loses basketball, the consumer loses jobs and money to pay the bills. all because a few hundred athletes demand to make millions more than they are already making? WTF?

    Most of the teams in the NBA are NOT making a profit, yet the players continue to be paid the highest salaries in the world.

    David Stern needs to make it happen, he's obviously a shill for the owners, he needs to get off his fat ass, crack that whip on both sides and bring back basketball asap!

    WTF?

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    Oct. 16 or 17 (Monday or Tuesday) the CBA meeting will have a
    Federal mediator (George Cohen) to help the two sides (owners & players)
    come to an agreement to end this lockout. Cohen also help the negotiation
    to end the NFL lockout.

    Hunter said during the interview that it was Stern's plan from the
    beginning to have a lockout.
    "David Stern promised me a lockout three years ago," Hunter said
    to WFAN's Mike Francesa. "That was their plan all along."
    One of the major issues in the lockout has been the split of basketball-
    related income. The owners want players to agree to a 47 percent share,
    while the players apparently aren't willing to go below 53 percent.
    The structure of the league's economic system, though is apparently what's
    largely to blame for the labor strife such as a hard salary cap, which the
    owners have apparently softened their stance on. If the union accept
    anything under 53% of BRI for the next 5 seasons this would make the
    collective bargian agreement a "Hard-Cap" with the potential of talent
    decreasing on small-market teams under the salary cap.
    The NBA lockout, of course, began on July 1 after the most recent labor
    deal between the sides expired.
    Does a "hard-cap" help the NBA?

    I dont see the hard-cap helping to increase the fan-base on
    small market teams within the next 3 seasons.
    I watched the Houston Rockets have 2 above 500 season
    with their two top players injured for each season. The Rockets
    fan-base kept decreasing b/c Yao & T-Mac were Fan-Favorites
    in Houston. A Hard-Cap would keep the Rockets unable to afford
    a superstar player in a conference full of superstar players.

    As a Knicks-Fan the hard-cap will murder the growth of our new
    situation of building (around our 2 new superstars) to become a
    top-contender team within the next two seasons.

    The Hardcap will make the Miami Heat "paycut" Big-3 a Dynasty-Team
    for the next 5 seasons, star role-players will take a paycut to join up
    with the Miami Heat each of the next 5 seasons.

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    2 weeks, WTF? how many jobs are going to be lost, how many lost wages, how many lost games??? these ballers are part of the 1%, right up there with wall streeters and bankers. the 99% are the people who watch the games and provide the impetus for advertising that brings in $$ for tv and radio and satellite that goes to the owners and players.

    i reiterate, i do not agree that the players should make more than the owners, in what industry in the world does this occur, where the hired hands demand to make the same money as the owners? WTF?

    i blame the union, and i especially blame the agents who do next to nothing but negotiate and make millions upon millions of dollars, change the landscape of teams so them and their players can make a little more, destroy team cohesion and city unification. WTF?

    when the damn MTA in New York went on strike so they could make more money and get more benefits from an already attractive package, they put millions of commuters into chaos. i was so pissed it took me so long to commute, hitch rides, walking across bridges, just to get to my stinking 9-5 job. damn greediness causing millions to suffer. WTF?

    is this any different? basketball players and agents already make too much money. James Dolan raised the bar on salaries when he gave Allan Houston (we have a problem) 100MillionDollars!! that became the status quo, and it has gone beyond ridiculous. ticket prices have soared, cable companies asking for more money... the consumer pays the price, the consumer loses basketball, the consumer loses jobs and money to pay the bills. all because a few hundred athletes demand to make millions more than they are already making? WTF?

    Most of the teams in the NBA are NOT making a profit, yet the players continue to be paid the highest salaries in the world.

    David Stern needs to make it happen, he's obviously a shill for the owners, he needs to get off his fat ass, crack that whip on both sides and bring back basketball asap!

    WTF?
    u forgot two things.....the players are the "product" and the players
    "athletic-performance" is what the Owners & NBA Stern sells to the public.

    Kobe is the prime grade A steak, Gasol is the big shrimps, Odom, Bynum,
    Fisher are all the side dishes that comes along with the steak dinner to
    make it the most popular dish in a "Steak House" restaurant thats the
    top in the neighborhood.

    CoolClyde.....u r asking the restaurant owner to buy cheaper grade steaks,
    small shrimp, and cheap side dishes to go along with this dinner, plus charge
    the same price.
    Do u think Buss or the restaurant owner care about its competitors financial problems???

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    i don't know if i agree with kiya, but now i'm hungry....

    FOR BASKETBALL!!!

    I can't really speak on this topic for 2 reasons, 1: i'm ignorant of the facts, as are most people aside from stern, owners and d. fisher/billy hunter. 2) it makes me so damn mad!!!! Just get back to work and play some ****in basketball already you lazy, greedy ****s!!

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    Stern: If no deal early next week, whole season in jeopardy

    NEW YORK - NBA commissioner David Stern said Thursday that if significant progress toward a new collective bargaining agreement isn't reached by early next week - following the first scheduled session with mediator George Cohen - that the remainder of the 2011-12 NBA season may be in jeopardy.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    u forgot two things.....the players are the "product" and the players
    "athletic-performance" is what the Owners & NBA Stern sells to the public.

    Kobe is the prime grade A steak, Gasol is the big shrimps, Odom, Bynum,
    Fisher are all the side dishes that comes along with the steak dinner to
    make it the most popular dish in a "Steak House" restaurant thats the
    top in the neighborhood.

    CoolClyde.....u r asking the restaurant owner to buy cheaper grade steaks,
    small shrimp, and cheap side dishes to go along with this dinner, plus charge
    the same price.
    Do u think Buss or the restaurant owner care about its competitors financial problems???
    I don't know what I'm saying. I'm hungry... for BBall!

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    Stern: If no deal early next week, whole season in jeopardy

    NEW YORK - NBA commissioner David Stern said Thursday that if significant progress toward a new collective bargaining agreement isn't reached by early next week - following the first scheduled session with mediator George Cohen - that the remainder of the 2011-12 NBA season may be in jeopardy.

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    I always thought Stern's job was the mediator of the NBA.....
    another commissioner needs George Cohen service

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    I always thought Stern's job was the mediator of the NBA.....
    another commissioner needs George Cohen service
    Stern works for the owners.

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    Originally Posted by knickscity
    Stern works for the owners.
    The clairity of that statement will be the arguement (debate) of
    the first two meetings with Federal mediator George Cohen.

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    Default the "Negotiations"

    I do not think the public --that's us -- has any real knowledge about what is going on in the negotiations. But there does appear to be a substantial divide.

    The current focus seems to be on the BRI revenue split and a hardcap or its functional eqivalent --the punitive luxury tax.
    In my view these two issues are related. Let us assume a hard cap or a punitive luxury tax that starts at $60M. Let us also assume $4 billion in BRI and for ease of the arithmetic a BRI split of 50/50. That would mean a players' share of $2 billion.

    There are 30 teams, if each team maxes out at $60M, the total is only $1.8 billion. That would leave $200M for "bonus" distribution to the players which would presumably be divided by the percentage proportion that each player's salary corresponds to the total salary pool. For example, a player whose salary is $10M would get twice the bonus of the player whose salary is $5M.

    If there is going to be a distribution of income based on relative salary, why do the players oppose a hard cap or its luxury tax equivalent? There is still a division of one BRI pie. One possible answer -- it will diminish salaries at the top, the salaries for the stars who have in the past greatly benefitted from the foolishness of the owners. But how many union members have a chance at the mega salary?

    Assuming that all the appropriate income is included in the BRI, the BRI split is likley to be the most important issue to the players as a whole. If the split is fair, then everyone is rewarded by increasing BRI numbers. Except to the extent that it diminishes the BRI, it does not matter how badly the individual owners operate their own franchises.

    Other issues -- such as the length of players' contracts, guaranteed contracts, increases in contracts from year to year -- also appear to be relatively unimportant if there is agreement on the revenue split. Do the owners really care how the players divide their split among themselves -- it is always going to be the same percentage of whatever BRI total appears? Of course, there may be relatively subtle issues regarding competition and growing the league and the BRI so there continues to be additional income. I do not know how these issues can be negotiated, but, again assuming an appropriate split, the players and owners have a common interest in growth.

    A final note, I remain concerned that the union is paying too much attention to the division among the players of their share of the BRI for the purpose of maintaining or increasing what the stars can earn. Granted they should get a substantial premium,but how substantial?







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    Old Timer......I have to give u big-props for your clairity of the situation
    plus making some great points on the direction of a 50-50 split.
    I agree with u on the public "us" being ignorant to the close-door negotiating
    meetings since July 1st.

    I dont know where to start.....there has been a 2 month strike on "Wall St."
    b/c wealthy people are squezing the market the same way the NBA (30) owners
    are trying to squeze the (450) players out of a few $100M per season.

    When are the "wealthy" people in this country who pulled the majority
    of their money out of the market in the past decade going to put
    their money back into the market for the growth of this country? the
    job market and employees has been decreasing each year for the past
    decade, while the population of people has been widely increasing.

    The last three seasons before the "Lebron James Decision" the NBA salary
    cap kept being reduce each of those 3 season from the low revenue each
    season. This was do to our country being in a decade of a great recession
    from our "wealthy" people pulling their money out of the market (Martha
    Stewart) do to the crises of the "Wall St." market taking big hits from the
    chaos of so many multi-billion dollar crashes (like lined up cards falling).....
    the downfall of our country billion $$$ energy company Enron, falling
    World Trade Buildings, spending 250 billion on war in Iraq, the evacuation of
    New Orleans & Louisiana, to 35% of the homes in this country in forecloser, ect., ect..

    Im a regular ticket buyer (not Spike Lee) I get paid every two weeks, on
    every other payday I spend my lunch break is in MSG to buy good (orange-
    yellow) seat tickets to see star-player oponents vs Knicks.....Howard, CP3,
    Durant, Rose, Duncan, Nash, Dirk, and Griffin....no matter how early I get to
    MSG last year to buy tickets for the Knicks vs Miami, or Lakers, or Boston
    games they were already sold out months in advance (even the upper-upper
    seats). So that should answer why the star players should receive substantial-premium.

    u and so many others have only been doing the math on 50-50 split, but no
    one has yet been optimistic to believe in a 2011-12 increase in revenue
    from the huge increase of the 2010-11 season revenue. Why is that?
    The same way I could not get tickets months inadvance to see my Knicks vs
    Lakers, Miami, Boston, b/c they were sold out imagine what its going to be
    like in 2011-12 season for me to get tickets to see the "Mavs, OKC, Grizzlies,
    Bulls, and the Cavs coach Byron Scott who beat us all 4 games last season
    having 2 first round 2011 draft picks". The soft-cap paid off big-time
    lastseason with the players receiving 57% of the revenue with brilliant
    headcoaches getting the majority of the regular season wins over the
    tandem & trio of star-players.

    The Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Boozer, Butler, Chandler, Perkins, Gerald Wallace,
    Carmelo & Billups (2010) move set a new stage in making the NBA future
    teams better from watching the 2007-8 to 2009-10 trio of star-players
    chemistry from Boston and Lakers.

    Now it should be perfectly clear on how much u pay a player on their
    performance vs the above star-teams oponents.....

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