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    Default WTF is going on?? LOCKOUT BS!!!

    so, another season is slowly going down the drain, no summer league, no training camp, pre-season games being phased out... slowly but surely, this season is f*cked. and for what?

    so millionaire athletes can make millions more?
    so people who make their (PT) living at arenas are out of work?

    how many players lives are affected the way they are affecting the lives
    of the folks who love basketball, and those who make their living from sales of basketball-related events? what do WE get out of this situation?

    why does this happen? when someone forks over billions of dollars to own a franchise, shouldn't they have a say in how it's run, and not be forced to fork over most of their revenue to players who aren't worth half of what they're paid? what have these players done to deserve so much money, by being born tall, with skills to shoot a ball?

    I'm being facetious and devil's-advocate reactionary here, but I am so pissed this is happening, I just can't partake of these forums until something happens. Why is Derek Fischer representing the entire sport of basketball anyway? who are these players, and why are they negotiating?

    this sucks balls.

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    Couldn't have said it better myself. If the season is cancelled because of greed the NBA will lose me as a fan entirely. And I've been as diehard a fan as there's been. I've been rather disgusted lately at what professional athletes in general have turned into. And with the lockout plus Melo most likely ruining any chances at the Knicks ever competing for a championship because he wanted a few extra million even though he's already made over $100 mil, a lost season would push me over the top. I'll spend my time doing other, more constructive things.

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    it's pretty bad, i gotta say. I'll always love the game and will be looking forward to playing in my local Mens League But without the NBA to follow my sporting focus is going towards football entirely.

    When the NHL lost that one full season it came back better then ever. But i never did get into it again as a fan. I have my favorite team (Oilers, born in Edmonton) but unless they are in divisional payoff series, i don't really care any more.

    If basketball loses a full season, many fans will be turned off and go else where. I know when hockey was **** down, texas hold 'em poker blew up and now there's probably more people watching that then watching hockey.

    Personally I'll still watch the NBA. I said the same thing during the 99 lock out, but then the Knicks came back and went to the finals, renewing my interest quickly. All i can hope for is that we get SOME games this year and that hopefully the knicks can get it together.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    If the season is cancelled because of greed the NBA will lose me as a fan entirely.
    I understand your frustration, but no it won't.

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    Completely understand the frustration. It makes me angry, too. I just want to watch some hoops, but the owner's are really trying to sling a lot of BS and get it to stick.

    From everything I've read, the Owners are not doing as poorly as they want everyone to believe.

    The player's bring in a lot of revenue. We watch and pay a ton of money to see them play... not the owners. As such they deserve a fair share of what is made. Their salaries are directly equivalent to how much money the NBA makes. I don't think that is unfair.

    Moreover, a hard cap is only going to end up hurting the lower revenue players who will spend years bouncing from team to team. The non-superstars will lose out on guaranteed contracts...

    As much as we think about the 16 million dollar contracts, those are rare. It seems to me that most of the players under the median salary will end up never having a home. I think that is a poor system.

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    It's pretty sad, especially the way some of these athletes behave....zero discipline, zero dedication.

    It's a shame, that a whole sport is in the hands of a few millionaire ballplayers, who care more about fame, celeb status and material things than the sport itself.

    The fans and the employees (at the arenas, merchandising stores etc.) are the losers in this fiasco.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    It's pretty sad, especially the way some of these athletes behave....zero discipline, zero dedication.

    It's a shame, that a whole sport is in the hands of a few millionaire ballplayers, who care more about fame, celeb status and material things than the sport itself.

    The fans and the employees (at the arenas, merchandising stores etc.) are the losers in this fiasco.
    You may be right but it also goes both ways.. the owners are greedy as well and want as much money as possible....I am mad as well basketball is on hold but if I was a player and if you were a player you would want to get paid what you deserve right? The owners throw money at superstars and now they want to minimize what they get?

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    Stern is easing back on the hard cap view and just wants to make sure the money gets evened out and they can atelast get a soft cap with limits...the players are the ones sacrificing more, they got 57 percent of revenue and they offered to only get 46 to strike a new deal....so we'll see and this new month will usher in more talks or no season at all.

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    Walt Frazier: Back in my day we were making 200,000 dollars a season and were happy.

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    Originally Posted by CoolClyde
    so, another season is slowly going down the drain, no summer league, no training camp, pre-season games being phased out... slowly but surely, this season is f*cked. and for what?

    so millionaire athletes can make millions more?
    so people who make their (PT) living at arenas are out of work?

    how many players lives are affected the way they are affecting the lives
    of the folks who love basketball, and those who make their living from sales of basketball-related events? what do WE get out of this situation?

    why does this happen? when someone forks over billions of dollars to own a franchise, shouldn't they have a say in how it's run, and not be forced to fork over most of their revenue to players who aren't worth half of what they're paid? what have these players done to deserve so much money, by being born tall, with skills to shoot a ball?

    I'm being facetious and devil's-advocate reactionary here, but I am so pissed this is happening, I just can't partake of these forums until something happens. Why is Derek Fischer representing the entire sport of basketball anyway? who are these players, and why are they negotiating?

    this sucks balls.

    Crazy 8's what's up man?
    Hey, CoolC! All sorts of **** is up. First baby on the way, joined a Satanic sex cult. Standards and practices, my friend.

    Well, you've returned in glorious form, haven't you! Great thread and so perfectly put.

    Sadly, however, humans are ****ed. We, and those who are affiliated on the small scale, get diddley, as the rich get exponentially richer. There are no Robin Hood's to lean on these days.

    Good to have you back, CC. Posting, toasting and roasting.

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    what they need to do , is assimilate some of the NFL logic into the NBA, but squeeze it a bit to make sure it is fair to some of the bigger names in the NBA

    for instance


    over the past few years

    rashard lewish 20 million dollars
    Gilbert arenas 17 million dollars
    Andrei Kirilenko 17 million dollars



    This MAN


    11 Million dollars

    in 2016 Joe Johnson 26 million dollars


    I think you get the point and there are some even worse ones through out the league


    There needs to be a level of play, as well as a level of production with regards to minutes and games based on injuries and surgeries etc; that relates to the amount that each player makes

    I.E

    joe johnsons contract by 2016 if he is producing half of what he is now, and only plays 55 games, there should be a clause that his contract will be reduced.

    The knicks blew millions on eddy curry, who when signed was a prospect with nba size and ability; that didnt hold up his end of the bargain


    SEE above photo.

    owners shouldnt have to buy out contracts, instead they should have reinbursement for players who do not put in the work to earn their contract

    if I all of a sudden stopped producing the documents needed at my job with the consistency that they hired me for, I would be demoted or fired.

    I would have no one to blame but myself

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    So apparently.. David Stern is saying if significant progress isn't made tomorrow he's gonna cancel the entire season... I dunno if I should call it a bluff or not but **** is definitely getting real.

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    Originally Posted by StEpHoN_mArBuRy
    So apparently.. David Stern is saying if significant progress isn't made tomorrow he's gonna cancel the entire season... I dunno if I should call it a bluff or not but **** is definitely getting real.

    no i call that sterns obvious disconnect with the fans of the NBA

    in a financially constricted world; fans do not want to hear that these billionaires are having difficulties coming to a conclusion; ultimately forcing stern to cancel something we invest money we barely have into.

    David stern needs a PR rep more than stephon marbury with regards to his negativist approach to everything; hes such a sour puss, and he sulks into the newspaper he reads every morning over his poached eggs, wheat bagel with lox spread and givalia coffee. It pisses me off that this man is presenting only the worst information; as if he isnt partly to blame.

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    I really hope that in case the worst scenario (no 11-12 season) becomes reality, owners found a new league and we can kiss the NBA and that faggit Stern goodbye forever.

    A new start is what the owners, players and especially fans need in case there will be no 11-12 season. I probably couldn't watch the NBA again, cause I'd feel prison-raped by all of them, betraying us on a whole season of basketball, when the league finally became interesting again and we have a decent roster for the first time in 10 years...
    I absolutely hate politics, because the little man is always the one getting stabbed in the back, or the fans in this case.

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    Default I blame Dolan and Eddy Curry

    <<There needs to be a level of play, as well as a level of production with regards to minutes and games based on injuries and surgeries etc; that relates to the amount that each player makes >>
    the Eddy Curry rule needs to be taken into effect asap, there is no rhyme or reason a team should have to pay if a player full compensation if he cannot get himself into primo playing shape within a season.

    James Dolan started this whole supermillions shenanigans years ago, paying Allan Houston $100million, who then proceeded to get hurt and not play up to his potential.

    I do not agree that players should get more and more of the pot, the owners OWN the team, NOT the players. It is the owner who invested in the team and deserve to make the bulk. How it is distributed seems fair enough when BILLIONS of dollars are at stake. Come on, the concession folks are making minimum wage!! and they're OUT OF WORK!!

    good post Don't Forget Derek Harper.

    congrats Crazy Daddy 8's!!

    Let's go David Stern, MAKE IT HAPPEN!! earn your bucks and whip these owners and players into shape! WE WANT A BASKETBALL SEASON!! PLAY BALL MOTHERF*CKERS!!

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