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    Who then was the first human, and how did it survive and procreate seeing how humans and apes cannot do so? Also, was incest involved in the process?

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    Who then was the first human, and how did it survive and procreate seeing how humans and apes cannot do so? Also, was incest involved in the process?
    since everyone accepts evolution, they should look at the other side. Design has strong evidence to support it.

    Dr. Jobe Martin is one of the best people i know that can show you so many animals that simply could not evolve the way evolutionists claim.

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    I'm interested to know when it was the first human existed. I have heard some interesting answers... Be interested to see what LJ has to say on this one...

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    Who then was the first human, and how did it survive and procreate seeing how humans and apes cannot do so? Also, was incest involved in the process?
    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    since everyone accepts evolution, they should look at the other side. Design has strong evidence to support it.

    Dr. Jobe Martin is one of the best people i know that can show you so many animals that simply could not evolve the way evolutionists claim.
    Neither of you, or even Dr Jobe Martin, understand gradual change over an immense period of time, leading to speciation. All of you only think in instantaneousness. Someone who thinks this way has no possible way of comprehending evolution. You think what exists now popped into being and did not change over time. Billions of years, or even a few million years is incomprehensible. You only think in lengths of lifetimes or generations. Until either of you can understand tiny variations gradually expressed over an immense period of time, there is no point in debating.

    To answer your question though, Homo sapiens (i.e. humans) first existed approximately 35,000 years ago.

    Again, if you understood speciation over immense periods of time, instead of thinking that one day there were no humans and suddenly the next day there were humans, the question of incest and mating with apes wouldn't have even been asked. It is a silly question.

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    Evolution is fact and happens all the time and can be observed at a rapid rate in viruses or bacteria. How does a mutated virus procreate!? Simple...a single mutation does not create a new species and certainly does not create a new life form unable to procreate with it's non-mutated brethren.

    As to the simplistic 3rd grade question posed by the OP...mutations occurred that did not effect the ability of our ape ancestors from procreating so over time favorable mutations like standing up on two feet able to see over the tall grass in Africa made those apes with the mutations have an advantage over those that didn't. They could see predators and prey better than their non-mutated competition.This advantage lead to more food, more women and a greater spreading of that mutation. Over time more and more mutations occurred and those that created an advantage were further promoted by natural selection. There came a point where so many mutations had been passed along over many generations that there was a divergence in the species. The old original species dies out leaving sets of mutated species who then vied for the same resources leading to another round of natural selection to the point you have an even more evolved new species ready to vie for resources. So on and so.

    All you need to do is look how the flu virus mutates each year to have confirmation of evolution.

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    So at some point in time there was say one ape who was special amongst the rest, then others became just as special, gradually, outta nowhere and then the rest caught up, those who didn't died off.

    So the crutch we have here is that even though special ape a) we'll call him Julious, grew two feet to stand over tall African grass, but he didn't mutate enough to not be able to procreate.

    So was there ever a first human? Or did a bunch of special apes mutate at the same rate?

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    Hypothetically speaking, if all land on earth became uninhabitable, and humans were forced to take to the seas, at what point would we mutate to survive?

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    Originally Posted by Knicks4lyfe
    So at some point in time there was say one ape who was special amongst the rest, then others became just as special, gradually, outta nowhere and then the rest caught up, those who didn't died off.

    So the crutch we have here is that even though special ape a) we'll call him Julious, grew two feet to stand over tall African grass, but he didn't mutate enough to not be able to procreate.

    So was there ever a first human? Or did a bunch of special apes mutate at the same rate?
    Are you asking because you are really interested or are you determined to take anything anyone says and pervert it so as not to face reality?

    These "special" apes did not come out of nowhere and the rest did not just "catch up". A favorable mutation such as being able to walk on two legs to see over tall grass gave those with the mutation a distinct advantage over those that didn't. This advantage lead to those with the mutated gene to have more sex, eat more food, live longer and therefor spread that mutation at a quicker rate than those without the mutation. For instance another mutation is the opposable thumb that gave an ever evolving species the ability to use complex tools. This allowed them to gather food at an increased rate and allowed them to make crude weapons to dominate their competition. Over millions of years each new favorable mutation added to the advantage further diverging the species from the original ape. Over time the species with the advantage crowded out the now inferior species by dominating the resources and through direct conflict leading to the inferior species extinction.

    There were many human like apes that had varying degrees of favorable mutated genes that coexisted and mated. Slowly their genes mixed creating a better adapted species for their environment while unfavorable genes were weeded out due to natural selection. Over millions of years this process continued till about 35,000 years ago when our last major mutation lead to Homo Sapien Sapien...modern man.

    The story does not end there, 35,000 years is a blink of the eye when you understand that evolution has been taking place for 66 million years since the dinosaurs went extinct and long before that with the small mammals that survived whatever killed off the dinosaurs. Further, man is still evolving today but we do not see dramatic changes in our species because of how slow the process is and how well we are adapted to our environment. Competition and challenge is what breeds evolution and determines it's speed. Since we are masters of our domain the rate of change has slowed and the need for mutation has been mitigated. Make no mistake about it, if having webbed toes or eleven fingers like many babies being born today gave them an advantage in modern society over those without you would see more and more webbed feet and eleven fingered babies! Not because of magic but because they passed that favorable gene faster than those without it because of that advantage and because biologically women are designed to seek out the most favorable traits in their mate.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    Neither of you, or even Dr Jobe Martin, understand gradual change over an immense period of time, leading to speciation. All of you only think in instantaneousness. Someone who thinks this way has no possible way of comprehending evolution. You think what exists now popped into being and did not change over time. Billions of years, or even a few million years is incomprehensible. You only think in lengths of lifetimes or generations. Until either of you can understand tiny variations gradually expressed over an immense period of time, there is no point in debating.

    To answer your question though, Homo sapiens (i.e. humans) first existed approximately 35,000 years ago.

    Again, if you understood speciation over immense periods of time, instead of thinking that one day there were no humans and suddenly the next day there were humans, the question of incest and mating with apes wouldn't have even been asked. It is a silly question.


    Knicks4lyfe is in a cult denomination that believes a human's lifespan is more than just a blink of an eye in comparison to the Earth's age.

    That's why the egoists in their denominations(Judge Rutherford, Charles T. Russell, etc.) made numerous false Armageddon predictions. They think their birth is more significant than the billions of other births, and that if they were born in year "X" that it must mean more than the people born in previous decades and centuries.

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    How do you explain electricity? Hydroelectric power is supposedly a current drawn from falling water. Over the last 100 years people have taken billions of showers. How many of us have been electrocuted? Oh yea, and those electron things are TINY. There is no way something we cant perceive is responsible for starting a car, or lighting up the garden. YOU CANT EXPLAIN THAT.

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    Originally Posted by amazinz5
    How do you explain electricity? Hydroelectric power is supposedly a current drawn from falling water. Over the last 100 years people have taken billions of showers. How many of us have been electrocuted? Oh yea, and those electron things are TINY. There is no way something we cant perceive is responsible for starting a car, or lighting up the garden. YOU CANT EXPLAIN THAT.
    in my opinion, and i stress, my opinion, the theory of evolution is the biggest lie to ever be taught .... there is no proof for it at all. It is just an excuse for people to deny the existence of God

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    that's a question. watch out your post

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