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    Nyk Logo Knicks interested in Grant Hill

    Yes, the Knicks need a defensive center, but if they can’t lure a good one with their restrictive one-year offers, they may finally get[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]on the team.
    Yes, the Knicks are chasing Hill again. Two years ago, they made a bid for Hill, offering a one-year deal, and lost out to Phoenix. The same scenario can play out again, because the Suns want him back.
    Yesterday was the first day agents were allowed to talk to NBA teams about free agents, and the Knicks spoke with Hill’s rep. Hill made a recruiting visit to the Knicks two years ago but turned down their one-year offer for the full mid-level exception, $5.8 million, and accepted Phoenix’s two-year, $6.4 million offer.
    Free-agent forward Grant Hill, who flirted with the Knicks two years ago before landing in Phoenix, could be headed to the Garden this season.
    Players can’t make recruiting visits until next week when the collective bargaining agreement is finalized.



    Coach Mike D’Antoni still loves Hill’s veteran presence, versatility and defense. As much as the Knicks need a center, they may not get the one they want and already failed with Houston’s 6-foot-6 scrappy rebounder Chuck Hayes.
    The Knicks reached out to Hayes’ reps yesterday, but a source said Hayes’ agent rebuffed a one-year deal at the full $5 million mid-level the Knicks have to offer.
    “A lot of guys the Knicks want are two-year-deal guys,’’ one source said. “It will be tough.’’
    The Knicks are offering only one-year deals to protect 2012 cap space for a potential free-agent bonanza headed by Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams.
    The Knicks may have to take the best player available willing to sign for one year, and Hill is a possibility,
    Knicks brass also inquired about Dallas’ small forward Caron Butler, but so did a number of teams. Nobody is offering one-year deals for the 32-year-old, two-time All-Star, and Dallas has expressed interest in a multi-year offer for Butler.
    Hill, at 39, is the second-oldest player in the league next to, ironically, Kurt Thomas, who also is on the Knicks’ radar at center.
    The Knicks also reached out to reps for Hornets center Aaron Gray and Kwame Brown. Gray, as a young player, also may command a two-year deal. Brown could still be in play, though.
    The Knicks may lose out on Thomas to the Bulls. Thomas’ agent, Jerry Hicks, told The Post earlier this week the Bulls were his top choice because they are closer to a championship than the Knicks.
    Ironically, the Suns general manager is Lon Babby, who two years ago was Hill’s longtime agent and steered him to Phoenix. Hill, still represented by Babby’s law firm, has always expressed a strong desire of playing in New York. Babby told the Arizona Republic he wants to bring Hill back to show his young players the way during this transition. Clearly the Knicks are closer to having a special year than Phoenix.
    “Grant is an absolute first order of business and top priority,’’ Babby said.
    If Hill signs with the Knicks, that probably would spell the end of Shawne Willilams’ solid one-year stint in New York. Knicks interim GM Glen Grunwald wants to bring Williams back, but only at the vet’s minimum for a player of his service — $990,000. Deals can’t be finalized until Dec. 9.
    Happy Walters, Williams’ agent, said he received calls from four clubs yesterday and expects offers to top the Knicks’. However, it’s possible the 6-foot-8 Williams could stay for a little less.
    “He loves New York, loves Mike, gets along great with STAT [Amar’e Stoudemire]; it’s his first choice,’’ Walters said. “I think he’s the best 3-point shooter on the team. ’’
    With the center situation up in the air,[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]likely will be re-signed. His agent, Andy Miller, spoke with Grunwald yesterday. (Miller also represents Gray). Jeffries probably would be signed for the $1.4 million veteran’s minimum or the $1.9 million biannual exception.
    “We talked a lot about role and his minutes,’’ Miller said. “He’s loved New York and has a strong relationship with Mike.’’
    Jeffries was out of rhythm after they re-signed him in March after being out of the rotation for the Rockets. But big men are hard to come by.
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    I think Hill would be a great addition for his defense, vet experience, and he is already familiar with STAT and MDA's system. Hill is very versatile and can play SG or SF. Not to mention he would be a great replacement for Shawne Williams if he decides to sign with Chicago or somewhere else.

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    Agreed. He still has some game left in him; he won't be demanded to play minutes that will put crippling burden on his body.

    *Many* players who CAN play defense and DON'T (Amare, Melo, eg) toughen up and gain consistent defensive game *simply* by the addition of a respected veteran who demands and wills it. In fact, this is often the reason for the biggest maturation in a player's defensive game.

    Look at how Garknee altered Paul Pierce; Kobe altered Pau Gasol; I'm blanking, but there are some even more pronounced recent examples of this cause and effect.

    Amare, and especially Melo's defensive issues aren't an issue of inability or not being given decent defensive assignments and decent X's and O's coaching.

    Amare doesn't need some purported defensive genius scheming him some brilliant raps. He needs to box the **** out and just be a beast, game in game out.

    Doc Rivers and Jackson didn't teach Gasol and Pierce ****, with respect to their defensive game and transformations. They grew up on the court and became complete ballers through a maturation process that a coach is *not* necessarily a part of.

    Just like at an office, kick ass coworkers and a great work environment can make you give max effort and unlock skill sets. NBA players are human; the same psychological and social standards and realities are true for them, as they are for us.

    So ya, Grant Hill is really worth his weight in gold simply for how he could profoundly impact our younger veteran stars.

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    Would basically be like adding a current All-Star to the team.

    I'd rather him and Nash stay with Phoenix though, would like to see them win a championship there.

    I certainly wouldn't complain about Hill going for a ring in New York. I'm a fan of him.

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Would basically be like adding a current All-Star to the team.
    Grant hill is a good role player and all but a "Current All-star"? lol

    I'd rather him and Nash stay with Phoenix though, would like to see them win a championship there.
    Do you really think that Phoenix can win a championship in the near future? Lol they can't even make the playoffs.

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    Making the playoffs in the West isn't that easy, if we played there with our 10/11 record we wouldn't make it either. But, mention that Phoenix at least if they won't resign both Carter and Brooks, has $30M salary space + additional $10M below the luxury tax threshold. And they have one of the best point guards in the league and a still improving solid center. They can add best amnesty players (below the cap - first to pick up), sign plenty of solid role players or even a star + use a bunch of exceptions. PHX can raise to the third or fourth power in the West.

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
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    I think Hill would be a great addition for his defense, vet experience, and he is already familiar with STAT and MDA's system. Hill is very versatile and can play SG or SF. Not to mention he would be a great replacement for Shawne Williams if he decides to sign with Chicago or somewhere else.
    he turned us down last year to be with the Suns, who stunk. And now with the emergence of Shawne Williams as our main 3/4 off the bench, Hill is not a need.

    We NEED to get a center for the MLE not Grant Hill.

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    While it would be a great addition to just have Hill's presence on this team, he will resign with the Suns. A lot of reporters have stated that Hill will remain with the Suns. But this team can use his Veteran Leadership and mindset. Would love to add players like him any day.
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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    he turned us down last year to be with the Suns, who stunk. And now with the emergence of Shawne Williams as our main 3/4 off the bench, Hill is not a need.

    We NEED to get a center for the MLE not Grant Hill.
    Actually re-signed with the Suns following the the 2008-09 season where the Suns went 46-36. I actually like Hill if it's only for one year. He would be a good veteran presence to have in addition to Billups.

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    I would like him as a short time addition. 1-2 years, low salary. If he wants to come for that, fine. If not, then he can go for more money elsewhere.

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    Originally Posted by AmareForPresident
    Grant hill is a good role player and all but a "Current All-star"? lol

    Do you really think that Phoenix can win a championship in the near future? Lol they can't even make the playoffs.
    Well as far as the second thing you replied to goes, Dzwonsson covered it.

    What I meant with the All-Star comment was, with Melo, Amar'e, and Billups, his great defense and solid offense could be big for us.

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    Too old.

    Not a center.

    Used us as leverage for his last contract.

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