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    Originally Posted by Red
    I did see the game and here is the issue...

    You and others are thinking that this is a competition bt. Fields & shump, whoevere gets the best Stats in pre-season games should start.

    That's incorrect.

    What I (and you) should be noticing is WHO FITS BETTER IN THE STARTING LINE-UP. Of course we will take many things into account like Fields avg. < 2points in the playoffs, or his nosedive when Melo arrived.

    But more improtantly its "what do we need, and who brings it"?

    We don't need a no-show hustle rebounder at the two! Especially one who can't guard his position.

    I've already noticed that Imax CAN guard the 1 or 2 pos.

    He has speed, the latteral quickness, and technique to do so where Fields doesn't. Its that simple.

    Imax has what's needed in the starting rotation with potentially 3 TOP scorers (+ B Diddy) that's defense and being athletically gifted to surpass what Fields does.

    + He has more heart.

    Bambi Fields is a quintessential "hustle" player. Run plays for him with the 2nd unit, build his confidence perhaps but...

    Bambi Doesn't have the mental make-up to mesh with stars we have in the trenches. He's nervous and thinking too much.

    Imax has swagger- he fits better. Trust.
    Thing is though, can plays be run for Fields off the bench as it would with a very good passer with Baron Davis as a starter?

    You gotta remember Fields played with much confidence too early on last year. If Fields gets chemistry with Davis, and if Shumpert continues to show confidence and plays well, then we can make a much, much better judgement. We know D'Antoni is gonna start Fields early on, what if the other starters aren't clicking with Fields? That might mean having him come off the bench when B. Diddy comes back isn't a good idea. If Shumpert has "it", then he'll get it, whether it's off the bench or being a starter. I think don't D'Antoni will wait around this time for a rookie to get earned minutes,

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    Originally Posted by RunningJumper
    Thing is though, can plays be run for Fields off the bench as it would with a very good passer with Baron Davis as a starter?

    You gotta remember Fields played with much confidence too early on last year. If Fields gets chemistry with Davis, and if Shumpert continues to show confidence and plays well, then we can make a much, much better judgement. We know D'Antoni is gonna start Fields early on, what if the other starters aren't clicking with Fields? That might mean having him come off the bench when B. Diddy comes back isn't a good idea. If Shumpert has "it", then he'll get it, whether it's off the bench or being a starter. I think don't D'Antoni will wait around this time for a rookie to get earned minutes,
    The issue is how their respective roles change depending on the circumstance, or relative to the state of the current team.

    Fields had success before the trade because of his role combined with the team identity. With Gallo, Felton, Chandler and co. and the addition of STAT (who was our unquestioned leader) we were still a work in progress; we were overachievers knowing we had something to build. And it was basically "get STAT the ball", simple enough, and thats just what Fields would do. We would applaud because we was like yes n!gga, get the best player the ball and move the f*ck out the way; Fields did that well. But when the bright lights were on... different ball-game.

    Each player had a role to solidify but the pressure was not there because we had low expectations. All Fields had to do was "fit in", put in hard-work, and hustle. Those attributes stood out amongst fans and teammates alike.

    As the roster got better and better we almost instantly transformed to a "win-now" team, with greater expectations. Greater demand from additions. This results in pressure. An analogy would be the Yankees. Everyone can't play on the Yankees. What was "good enough" on a young team is seen as "not good enough" on the Yanks. They demanded the best of the best, because they were the best. And it happens in all sports.

    Fields did fit in. He proved his worth and brought something to the table, but that was in relation to who we were. Those same attributes now stand out as weaknesses on a better team. The pressure is too high, and some players can't deal with that. Some players thrive when there are no expectations- because they know they can rarely disappoint. A hustle player here and there is gold to starved fans.

    Picture Fields on the Lakers. He would have been a bench player, no question; a Barnes or Shannon Brown type. Good enough to start on other teams, but a role player on the Lakers.

    Well I'm not saying we are the Lakers. I know this sounds premature being that Shump only played in two preseason games. What I've seen and read, from highlights, and news clippings, and from the full season with Fields, I've concluded Shump is better. Better suited for what we need in my opinion. Shump is our PG of the future. He is the prototypical guard with size, defense, and a pass first mentality.

    He has the athletic ability and the stones needed. He has what we should deem more important than what we know Fields brings, on his best day. Because Fields may bring hustle, rebounds, etc... and because we are now a different team, I know Fields isn't more important than what we need out of our PG. That goes for TD- in fact I don't mind replacing either. So we can leave Fields if you want, but we have to agree that TD is too better suited as a 6th man. With that said, the sooner we decide, the sooner we groom Shump as a definite Point Guard, no question, no options, or we'll sees...

    the better. And thats the purpose now. No more experimenting, no more try everyone till someone fits... we should be starting the best players period. Not looking for someone to step up (i.e. Gallo, Chandler), we should already know that the best start, the rest do exactly what Fields is use to... try to fit in.
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    Shumpert practices with the starting five
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    By Jared Zwerling
    NEW YORK -- There was a good chunk of time during Friday's practice when rookie Iman Shumpert was wearing a blue jersey. That meant he was the point guard in the first unit, playing alongside Landry Fields, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler.

    Mike D'Antoni said afterward that Toney Douglas also ran the team, and he wanted to switch it up with Shumpert because "we're just trying to get everybody used to playing with certain people." While D'Antoni is likely to name Douglas the starter for Sunday's season opener, he has been impressed with Shumpert's play-making abilities.

    D'Antoni has the luxury of using Anthony as his point-forward, but an actual point guard who can make things happen will be necessary at times when Melo is playing off the ball. Eventually it will be Baron Davis, but in the meantime before the former All-Star is healthy, don't be surprised if that player ends up being Shumpert, not Douglas.

    The deciding factors will likely be Shumpert's athleticism and 6-foot-5, 220-pound size, which will allow him to stick with stronger and quicker point guards such as Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. D'Antoni called Shumpert's defense "really good."

    Offensively, Douglas has more experience at the point, but he's undersized. At the end of the day, he is better suited for the team's sixth-man role. The name of his game is scoring, and Shumpert's -- as D'Antoni alluded to on Friday -- is facilitating.


    "[Iman's] shown that he makes simple plays, and if he can do that, he'll play," D'Antoni said. "Now whether right now in his rookie year can he run a team exactly the way we want it after two weeks of practice? I don't know. But if we've got other guys helping out, he can definitely play. We'll just cover that as we go forward."

    By the look and sound of it, despite D'Antoni saying he'll "probably" go with the usual starting five against the Celtics, you never know -- Christmas Day could offer a surprise.

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    I agree that TD is better suited as the sixth man. Even when he's being pass-first, he doesn't look to make plays usually, which doesn't mean it's his fault, he just doesn't have the ability now.

    Interesting article. Would love Shumpert getting his chance early on, but I'll be fine with Douglas starting as long as he's bringing the defense he brought previously before he was hurt last season.

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    Originally Posted by skisloper
    Start Iman at point and leave fields at shooting guard....

    If it works we are set for years to come ....if it does not then switch it up...

    Fileds will do the scrub work.....

    Coach considers Iman a 1 or 2 guard....so if thats the case make him a 1 guard and go for it.......

    wonder if we can trade douglas for a back-up forward
    You make good points but mostly TONEY D just does not do it for me at PG...and I think he would bring more energy coming off the bench. But most importantly I would love to see IMAX defend against RONDO..
    Also most knicks did not have the speed or the smarts to defend against RAY ALLEN...he was the man in motion always getting a look for his dangerous knife your heart 3...IMAX and Melo will need to shut Ray Allen down. Totally psyched for tomorrow..GO KNICKS

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    Shumpert has 'lots of confidence'
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    It's late in 5 on 5 drills last Tuesday. Iman Shumpert catches a pass, squares up behind the arc and flicks a high-arching jumper over the outstretched hand of Carmelo Anthony.

    Swish.

    A few possessions later, Anthony catches the ball on the wing and assesses the defense. Shumpert sizes up the superstar, claps twice, crouches low in a defensive stance and gets to work. The possession ends in a missed shot by Anthony.

    "He can make a lot of plays," says backcourt mate and veteran guard Mike Bibby. "He can score the basketball, he can guard people, he's a god passer and he he has a lots confidence. That's what you need coming in [to the league]."

    No, Shumpert doesn't lack confidence. He showed it every time he took the floor in training camp scrimmages and preseason games.

    The Knicks' first-round pick has impressed veterans and the coaching staff by playing an aggression and self-assuredness that's rare for a rookie. In two preseason games against the Nets, Shumpert scored 11.5 points in 28 minutes.

    "His defense is really good," Mike D'Antoni said after the Knicks' final preseason game. "He is a big guard, point guard, small forward that can guard a lot of people. He is quick and strong and ... he's been impressive so far."

    Just how Shumpert fits into the Knicks' rotation remains to be seen.

    In all likelihood, he'll start the season as a reserve shooting guard. But D'Antoni curiously hadn't named his starting rotation the day before Sunday's season opener.

    So there is a small chance Shumpert can start at point guard. No matter what his role is, Shumpert will play it with confidence.

    "Some guys are [confident], some guys aren't," Bibby says. "He definitely is and it's going to help him."
    See what he can do vs Rondo.

    Besides, we all know TD is better suited as 6th man, and you started Fields by default; while he made less of an impression.

    START IMAX.

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    Iman Shumpert out 2 to 4 weeks according to Knicks. Jared Jeffries out 1 to 2 weeks.


    What happened!!

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    Originally Posted by WVKnickfan
    Frank Isola

    Iman Shumpert out 2 to 4 weeks according to Knicks. Jared Jeffries out 1 to 2 weeks.


    What happened!!
    Strained MCL. Imax and B Diddy coming soon...

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    bumped Bitches.

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    I always thought that Landry Fields profiled more as a bench guy. I think this will be a good opportunity for that - Fields is not a SG, he has never been an SG, the only reason he was ever an SG for us is cause we didn't have anybody who could play SG.

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    bumped Bitches.
    REBUMPED. Thank you.

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    Originally Posted by Red
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    Originally Posted by Red
    REBUMPED. Thank you.
    THREE TIMES, 'cause it's true. IMAX has arrived!
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    IMAX > our ENTIRE back court combined.

    Any reason why he's NOT starting is ridiculous.

    Don't support 'Antoni's stubborn approach.

    Start him, if I can see it then so should a $6mil coach. Hello!

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    WAS guards dropped 66 points on us alone.

    Start IMAX before I have to come down there and f*ck 'Antoni up myself.

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    Yeah, we all saw when Imax was on the court we were always like +10 points and every time Dumbtoni benched him the Wizards tied the game...

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