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    I've read something interesting on an other board:

    - They are tanking to get him out.

    - If they play like this for 5 more games I'd actually consider that a possibility. The players don't seem to be on anybody's wavelength, certainly not the coach's. If he's lost them, they probably figure they won't win it all anyway and they can still push for the playoffs after stinking up the first 10 games and getting him canned. These games were so bizarre, I'd almost believe it.

    - Come to think of it, this tanking on the coach conspiracy may have some merit. Clearly the guys have championship aspirations, and are clamoring for a new defense-first culture. D'antoni doesn't approach the game like it's his craft, actually scouting other teams, making defensive game plans, in-game defensive adjustments, calling players out, screaming on them to box out, etc. and the guys can see it, and they don't like it.

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    I can't believe how you all fail to see it's the way the roster is assembled....

    of course D'Antoni sucks for a place like New York, but come on and open your eyes people, this roster is not going to work!

    Remember that 2004 USA team? They failed in the World Championships in Indianapolis, because the roster had NO chemistry and was terribly assembled. As a consequence they hired coach K and take a serious look at chemistry since then and not just big names or superstar status.

    The 2010 team had hardly any superstars apart from Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose, but they played brilliant basketball and killed everybody because it was a well assembled team.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson

    - Come to think of it, this tanking on the coach conspiracy may have some merit. Clearly the guys have championship aspirations, and are clamoring for a new defense-first culture.[/I]
    Really? Amare and Melo asking for more defence? I can't see that happening. It might very well be true that he lost them and they want him out, however, I think it is more likely that the haven't got a clue what it is they want.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    Spoelstra.....it's not hard winning over 50 games with Lebron and Wade on your roster...Carlisle - yeah good coach, Larry Brown came here and failed, Scott Skiles is a ****ing racist - no black music in the locker room, no headbands, Riley didn't get us a championship either and Phil Jackson is retired.

    You guys are missing the bigger picture, it's easy to blame the coach, but ask yourself for a second where the logic is in:

    Hiring a run and gun SSOL coach only to acquire half court - slow pace players like Anthony and Chandler.

    Signing a superstar PF who relies on the pick and roll about 80-90% and then trading away the only half decent point guard we've had since the early days of Marbury.

    This roster is terribly assembled, one of the worst assembled, if not THE worst assembled roster in the league!
    NO chemistry and the different types of players just don't fit together.
    Our management thought they were playing fantasy basketball and just throwing 3 big names in the hat will make a championship team - bull****!

    I liked the early 10-11 roster much better, yes we were limited talent-wise, but we had chemistry and the players fitted together.

    No coach in the world can solve the Amar'e - Melo problem and Chandler is completely wasted alongside them and only eating up cap space.

    Amar'e was the first one here and he brought us back to contention, but Melo is younger and some kind of a local hero....tough decision, but one has to go or we'll be stuck around .500 forever......
    i disagree with you on your point amare and melo cannot work together. I think they can but they have to compromise their individual games. Also the coach needs to design more.plays that works to.their strengths.

    On another note though I do agree the knicks were.to eager to slash their roster to basically get star players. I will go farther and agree felton for Billups is where the idea went south but arguably due to the amnesty clause the Knicks lucked out and was able to add 4 players who could hold their own at the position when the plan was to have a big three. But f**k it the majority of fans wanted stars the organization publicly tanke forr 2 years to get those stars they now need to make them work.

    But coaching is to blame here as well. Where is the ball movement? Where are the Melo post plays? Why isn't their any public recognition in post game that amare is shooting horribly? Honestly the team he had last year before the Melo trade was the most complete team he's had. They had heart and no glaribg weakness. In fact TD was the second man off the bench because we had decent depth. However right now he has the best front court in the game playing mostly on the perimeter. Yeah Amare and Melo might like that but your the coach tell them to work for shots not just lob it up there and see if it goes in. I mean Mike brown had the lakers play the knicks man to man to encourage the behavior. Why should they need to double bad shooters or do a zone when as soon as the knicks meet defensive resistance they are going to shoot the ball?

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    I've read something interesting on an other board:

    - They are tanking to get him out.

    - If they play like this for 5 more games I'd actually consider that a possibility. The players don't seem to be on anybody's wavelength, certainly not the coach's. If he's lost them, they probably figure they won't win it all anyway and they can still push for the playoffs after stinking up the first 10 games and getting him canned. These games were so bizarre, I'd almost believe it.

    - Come to think of it, this tanking on the coach conspiracy may have some merit. Clearly the guys have championship aspirations, and are clamoring for a new defense-first culture. D'antoni doesn't approach the game like it's his craft, actually scouting other teams, making defensive game plans, in-game defensive adjustments, calling players out, screaming on them to box out, etc. and the guys can see it, and they don't like it.
    Idk that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, and passing the blame from the coafh to the players. All of them we're talking championships in unision. Anyhow mike woodson may not be better and I say it would take a bad record over about 20 games for him to fired. Tge knicks are just playing horribly and need to sync. The knicks should run simple plays and build up chemistry.

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    Of course it's a conspiracy theory, but I thought it's worth sharing, we should wait and be patient, but if we keep losing like this (no effort, no movement, no plays) then I'd get convinced there is something wrong with this team and getting rid of D'Antoni could be reason of this mess.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    I can't believe how you all fail to see it's the way the roster is assembled....

    of course D'Antoni sucks for a place like New York, but come on and open your eyes people, this roster is not going to work!

    Remember that 2004 USA team? They failed in the World Championships in Indianapolis, because the roster had NO chemistry and was terribly assembled. As a consequence they hired coach K and take a serious look at chemistry since then and not just big names or superstar status.

    The 2010 team had hardly any superstars apart from Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose, but they played brilliant basketball and killed everybody because it was a well assembled team.
    We can't believe you haven't figured out its the coach.

    Get off it. You make no sense. "Team struggles" it must be the roster...smh!

    Maybe you don't have the internet, maybe you don't read, maybe you haven't figured out how to search this forum, idk...

    But what I do know is regardless of the players the results have been the same. And many like you have offered their 2cents and blamed the "roster"

    And many like me have used statistical analysis to PROVE its the coach and his system... and that's been the case for years. Wake up.

    The players on this team will be here before MOA.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    I can't believe how you all fail to see it's the way the roster is assembled....

    of course D'Antoni sucks for a place like New York, but come on and open your eyes people, this roster is not going to work!

    Remember that 2004 USA team? They failed in the World Championships in Indianapolis, because the roster had NO chemistry and was terribly assembled. As a consequence they hired coach K and take a serious look at chemistry since then and not just big names or superstar status.

    The 2010 team had hardly any superstars apart from Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose, but they played brilliant basketball and killed everybody because it was a well assembled team.
    Is that you, Kiyaman?

    Excluding Douglas, do you honestly think that this team's key issue is a personnel issue?

    I'll have to give this post a resounding

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    Just asking. Hyothetically, what would you say in case we fired D'Antoni and Mike Woodson took over without making any difference?

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    Why the hell would we trade Amar'e, one of the most talented big men in the game, for a dookie like Elton Brand? Just to get Jrue Holiday?

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    you say that now but watch, regardless of who is coaching Stat is slow coming down from his peak and I hate to see an injury happen to him in this uniform consideraing how much we pay him b/c of style of play(wild). He is erratic and plays fast (transitional player) all the time and that does match the style of Melo (1/2 court) . In the playoffs everything slows down and 1/2 offensive excel in the later rounds of the NBA. oh yeah defense 2. We can't afford for him to take 1/2 the time off with his defense and rebounding b/c waste so much energy with erratic offense. More importantly we need PG who run this team no matter who is coaching. Having Davis great but relying on Davis is terrible. This trade must happen. Brand will have an expiring contract this offseason which will allow us to move him for better piece next season. having Brand with Jeffries as your backup brings more depth to your front court. Having fields in his natural position will bring back scoring Numbers and SHumpert and Holiday in the backcourt prevent every guard from breaking down our defense. the disparity between Holiday and Douglas is far greater than between Brand and Stat. Holiday although is not world beater is among the upper top 15 PGs. Douglas is the worst starting PG in the NBA. Brand is solid but limited, pretty soon you are going to say the same about Amare, but while he still healthy and has some value trade him now. Change Melo like Barkley into from SF to PF. creating mistmatches. for night were he is outsized start Brand and move Melo to SF. This backcourt helps so much with rebounding and defensive and Holiday is play maker. the can both hit the outside shot. If Chandler only has to protect Melo he can maintain instead 3 players. Melo and Stat DOuglas will make Chandler kill himself.

    Holiday Shumpert Fields Melo Chandler

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    3 games for the fire D'antoni thread to start...

    Not bad. In years past it started in the pre-season... I'd say this is an improvment for him and the board. GJ team.

    All the same, D'antoni looks sad. Like he just looks like he's got something weighing on him right now, beyond the bad play over 3 games. Perhaps he's grumbling about the hiring of woodson who is there to take his job and instead of fighting for it, he's laying down? I don't know, but i hope they all wake up soon. We cant afford head games and politicking right now. We need to win games in a shortened season to make it to the playoffs, first things first. Then D'ant can go cry about it.

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    Originally Posted by pat
    Just asking. Hyothetically, what would you say in case we fired D'Antoni and Mike Woodson took over without making any difference?
    This is a good point. Does anybody think the results will be much different if we make Woodson the head coach?
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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    If you look at good coaches such as Spoelstra, Carlisle, Brown (both Mike and Larry), Skiles, Jackson, Riley, etc., they're constantly standing up during the games and instructing their players. They're constantly giving the players pointers in the middle of games, making sure they're doing what they need to be doing, and calling plays from the sideline because they're analyzing the other team's strengths and weaknesses.
    Pay close attention people! THIS is what makes you a coach. Being able to adjust on the fly and using your players' strengths to circumvent your plan. Motivate! Telling TD to drive to the basket every now and then so the defense can collapse! Running a pick and roll with STAT and Melo! Letting Lin get more than garbage minutes! Not usinig STAT and JORTS as stretch 4s!!!

    I hate Dantoni and wish he would either get fired or have to leave due to a mysterious medical condition... either way JUST LEAVE! I want booos raining down on him during the next home game.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    This is a good point. Does anybody think the results would be much different if we make Woodson the head coach?
    Yes I do! It would be a different philosophy all together. We actually have good players, so this is not a "no coach could make this team better" situation.

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    I agree...enough is enough.

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