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    Reality check:

    We are 1-2 with 2 road games, Amare has consistently been poor offensively which will not continue. In our 2 losses we have held our opponents to under 100 points - defense being the big issue in MDA's system.

    Relax, breathe - because if the Knicks rattle off back-to-back wins (just 1 back-to-back) we are over .500.

    Calm down.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    Spoelstra.....it's not hard winning over 50 games with Lebron and Wade on your roster...Carlisle - yeah good coach, Larry Brown came here and failed, Scott Skiles is a ****ing racist - no black music in the locker room, no headbands, Riley didn't get us a championship either and Phil Jackson is retired.

    You guys are missing the bigger picture, it's easy to blame the coach, but ask yourself for a second where the logic is in:

    Hiring a run and gun SSOL coach only to acquire half court - slow pace players like Anthony and Chandler.

    Signing a superstar PF who relies on the pick and roll about 80-90% and then trading away the only half decent point guard we've had since the early days of Marbury.

    This roster is terribly assembled, one of the worst assembled, if not THE worst assembled roster in the league!
    NO chemistry and the different types of players just don't fit together.
    Our management thought they were playing fantasy basketball and just throwing 3 big names in the hat will make a championship team - bull****!

    I liked the early 10-11 roster much better, yes we were limited talent-wise, but we had chemistry and the players fitted together.

    No coach in the world can solve the Amar'e - Melo problem and Chandler is completely wasted alongside them and only eating up cap space.

    Amar'e was the first one here and he brought us back to contention, but Melo is younger and some kind of a local hero....tough decision, but one has to go or we'll be stuck around .500 forever......
    Its not the roster, its the system being implemented. The players fit but there's no direction.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Reality check:

    We are 1-2 with 2 road games, Amare has consistently been poor offensively which will not continue. In our 2 losses we have held our opponents to under 100 points - defense being the big issue in MDA's system.

    Relax, breathe - because if the Knicks rattle off back-to-back wins (just 1 back-to-back) we are over .500.

    Calm down.

    For me its less about our W/L and more with how our offense is running even in our one win. I am tired of MDA not utilizing our "fouls to give", I'm tired of quick 3 pointers and I am tired of STAT having to create on his own offense from the wing. STAT is not an ISO player and needs the ball in motion.

    I have been one of the people calling for time with MDA for years because we were rebuilding and I did not think it was fair to judge him under those circumstance. Yes, we are only 3 games in but all I see is more of the same. Further, we have moved away from a roster that plays into MDA's stregths and we would be better suited with a different system. MDA's system is reliant on specific types of players and except for STAT and possibly Novak the rest of our team are not MDA type players. It is possible to gain success once Davis comes back but to pin our system and hopes on an aging often injured PG is too many eggs in one basket. We need a system that can function with or without an above average PG.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    For me its less about our W/L and more with how our offense is running even in our one win. I am tired of MDA not utilizing our "fouls to give", I'm tired of quick 3 pointers and I am tired of STAT having to create on his own.

    I have been one of the people calling for time with MDA for years because we were rebuilding and I did not think it was fair to judge him under those circumstance. Yes, we are only 3 games in but all I see is more of the same. Further, we have moved away from a roster that plays into MDA's stregths and we would be better suited with a different system. MDA's system is reliant on specific types of players and except for STAT and possibly Novak the rest of our team are not MDA type players. It is possible to gain success once Davis comes back but to pin our system and hopes on an aging often injured PG is too many eggs in one basket.
    Well no matter who we have as coach we are relying on Toney Douglas and Baron Davis and Iman Shumpert to run the point - that's bad news all the way thru.

    We have actually played reasonably okay defense - we held the Warriors to under 100, that's a game we have to win - we have to score 90 at least against that team.

    STAT has been awful, forcing jumpers and getting frustrated, and there is no offensive flow right now - but the defensive flow hasn't been as terrible as its been in recent years.

    Again...we are 1-2. 1 game under .500 where we have played 2 road games and 1 home game. Everyone needs to calm down as I don't see this roster being much better with Woodson.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Yes I do! It would be a different philosophy all together. We actually have good players, so this is not a "no coach could make this team better" situation.
    I am not a huge D'Antoni supporter and I could see Woodson improving the team a little, but I don't think it would be a drastic improvement. It's still an iso-team with lazy defenders.

    Honestly, judging from his post game comments, I think D'Antoni doesn't want to be here either. Let him go to Toronto. That roster is built more for his system than ours. He would do well there. Plus Coangelo is still there, I think.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Well no matter who we have as coach we are relying on Toney Douglas and Baron Davis and Iman Shumpert to run the point - that's bad news all the way thru.

    We have actually played reasonably okay defense - we held the Warriors to under 100, that's a game we have to win - we have to score 90 at least against that team.

    STAT has been awful, forcing jumpers and getting frustrated, and there is no offensive flow right now - but the defensive flow hasn't been as terrible as its been in recent years.

    Again...we are 1-2. 1 game under .500 where we have played 2 road games and 1 home game. Everyone needs to calm down as I don't see this roster being much better with Woodson.
    If we had a system that wasn't so reliant on a PG the fact we are weak at that position would not be that much of an issue. LA had a dynasty with Derek Fisher who is at best a mediocre PG. Further, it's not like we see our PG's trying to run plays and failing...we don't see any plays run at all! If they were getting jammed up or turning the ball over I could see us blaming the PG but not even to run the play has to be leveled at coach.

    I think the culture needs to be changed as well. MDA is too lax and too forgiving of bad shots and lack of effort. If Riley was our coach and STAT was giving the kind of effort he put forth in Golden State he would have been yanked regardless of the score and made an example of. This team needs focus, discipline and a more traditional offense to succeed.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    If we had a system that wasn't so reliant on a PG the fact we are weak at that position would not be that much of an issue. LA had a dynasty with Derek Fisher who is at best a mediocre PG. Further, it's not like we see our PG's trying to run plays and failing...we don't see any plays run at all! If they were getting jammed up or turning the ball over I could see us blaming the PG but not even to run the play has to be leveled at coach.

    I think the culture needs to be changed as well. MDA is too lax and too forging of bad shots and lack of effort. If Riley was our coach and STAT was giving the kind of effort he put forth in Golden State he would have been yanked regardless of the score and made an example of. This team needs focus, discipline and a more traditional offense to succeed.
    If Riley was our coach a lot of things would be different, if I had wheels I'd be a car - but I'm not and we don't have Pat Riley.

    Everyone forgets it took Felton a while to become more consistent with STAT - and with Douglas, a MUCH worse PG than Felton, I imagine it might take longer.

    I am not saying MDA needs to keep his job at the end of the season, but can we wait until the season is more than a week old before we go hitting the panic button? Again: we are 1-2 with 2 road games - 2 road games where, BTW, we held the opponents in check defensively. The problem is the offense, where STAT has struggled and we are down to Toney Douglas and Mike effing Bibby to run the point.

    Fischer may not be the best PG in the world, but he had chemistry with his guys and was a veteran leader. Douglas is not those things - it's apples and oranges in my mind.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    I agree...enough is enough.
    EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT...

    Trill finally acquiesces!


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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    If Riley was our coach a lot of things would be different, if I had wheels I'd be a car - but I'm not and we don't have Pat Riley.

    Everyone forgets it took Felton a while to become more consistent with STAT - and with Douglas, a MUCH worse PG than Felton, I imagine it might take longer.

    I am not saying MDA needs to keep his job at the end of the season, but can we wait until the season is more than a week old before we go hitting the panic button? Again: we are 1-2 with 2 road games - 2 road games where, BTW, we held the opponents in check defensively. The problem is the offense, where STAT has struggled and we are down to Toney Douglas and Mike effing Bibby to run the point.

    Fischer may not be the best PG in the world, but he had chemistry with his guys and was a veteran leader. Douglas is not those things - it's apples and oranges in my mind.

    I only brought up Riley as an example of the lax culture. Further, if it was just about giving time for our PG to acclimate I would agree but there are so many "structural" defects that have nothing to do with chemistry or time that I don't see how MDA will ever be an effective coach here. Again, our roster is not an MDA roster so why would we give it to the end of the season? The writing is on the wall and I think its best to make changes sooner than later.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT...

    Trill finally acquiesces!

    Our roster has changed and we have moved from rebuilding to trying to compete. All my points over the years have been valid and had we kept an MDA type roster I would be calling for time for this team to gel. BTW, I stated this last year so simmer down.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    I only brought up Riley as an example of the lax culture. Further, if it was just about giving time for our PG to acclimate I would agree but there are so many "structural" defects that have nothing to do with chemistry or time that I don't see how MDA will ever be an effective coach here. Again, our roster is not an MDA roster so why would we give it to the end of the season? The writing is on the wall and I think its best to make changes sooner than later.
    I didn't say give it to the end of the season either.

    I said wait until the season is more than a week old and we aren't 1-2 with our 2 losses on the road before hitting the panic button.

    I don't think Woodson is any better (I have consistently disliked Mike Woodson since back when he was with ATL), and unless Phil Jackson is walking thru that door tomorrow, I am not sure any one on this staff has the answer.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    I didn't say give it to the end of the season either.

    I said wait until the season is more than a week old and we aren't 1-2 with our 2 losses on the road before hitting the panic button.

    I don't think Woodson is any better (I have consistently disliked Mike Woodson since back when he was with ATL), and unless Phil Jackson is walking thru that door tomorrow, I am not sure any one on this staff has the answer.
    I don't think Woodson is the answer either but a move needs to be made at some point.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    I don't think Woodson is the answer either but a move needs to be made at some point.
    Fair enough - but to do it when the team is 1-2 to me screams of a reactionary knee-jerk reaction rather than a measured process.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Fair enough - but to do it when the team is 1-2 to me screams of a reactionary knee-jerk reaction rather than a measured process.
    I think the writing was on the wall after the Melo trade. Prior to that we were putting together a nice SSOL team with room to add an SSOL type star. Once we traded away Felton and Gallo and picked up Melo and Billups this no longer was the roster to benefit from what MDA is supposed to bring. The trend has now continued with the acquisition of Chandler over a PG like CP3.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    I think the writing was on the wall after the Melo trade. Prior to that we were putting together a nice SSOL team with room to add an SSOL type star. Once we traded away Felton and Gallo and picked up Melo and Billups this no longer was the roster to benefit from what MDA is supposed to bring. The trend has now continued with the acquisition of Chandler over a PG like CP3.
    Eh - CP3 was an impossible pipe dream. We couldn't have come close to the offer the Lakers put together, and not even that was enough.

    We still need a PG - regardless of who the coach is - that will effectively use both Melo and STAT and not force them into 1-on-1s on the wing. Until that happens, I'm not sure the coach matters that much.

    And we are still 1-2 with 2 road games.

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