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    Can I please stress the fact that MDA said he's cool with Melo being 2 for 12? Apparently, our coach doesn't look at stats like that.

    I dunno....but this is pretty alarming to me, and kind of explains why STAT & Melo have free reign to shoot us out of games.


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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Can I please stress the fact that MDA said he's cool with Melo being 2 for 12? Apparently, our coach doesn't look at stats like that.

    I dunno....but this is pretty alarming to me, and kind of explains why Melo have free reign to shoot us out of games.

    Fixed it!

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    So Melo shot less....now what?

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    So Melo shot less....now what?
    You wanna hear my oppinion?

    REBUILD!

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    You wanna hear my oppinion?

    REBUILD!
    Jeremy Lin, some 2-man game between STAT and Melo, off-ball screens for Fields, Tyson patrolling the low block, Fields/Shump, TD, Walker, and Jordan in a 9 man rotation, with Novac and Jeffries getting spot, specialized, mins if the game dictates it, and the Knicks are a top 4 team in the East.

    MDA content with perimeter shots, and combo guards desperately trying to play as a pure point, failing, and forcing Melo to be a point-forward, watching the team shoot an early lead away, equals a 7-11 record.


    The only trade I would make is STAT and Chandler for Dwight, mainly because we can't bank on Amar'e staying healthy for the duration of his contract. If he can't give us what he did last year, on a consistent basis, there's no reason to keep him around....other than sentimental value.

    And if a team is willing to take that gamble off of your hands with Dwight coming the other way, you do it. Don't think twice, do not pass GO, do not collect 200, just do it.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Jeremy Lin, some 2-man game between STAT and Melo, off-ball screens for Fields, Tyson patrolling the low block, Fields/Shump, TD, Walker, and Jordan in a 9 man rotation, with Novac and Jeffries getting spot, specialized, mins if the game dictates it, and the Knicks are a top 4 team in the East.

    MDA content with perimeter shots, and combo guards desperately trying to play as a pure point, failing, and forcing Melo to be a point-forward, watching the team shoot an early lead away, equals a 7-11 record.


    The only trade I would make is STAT and Chandler for Dwight, mainly because we can't bank on Amar'e staying healthy for the duration of his contract. If he can't give us what he did last year, on a consistent basis, there's no reason to keep him around....other than sentimental value.

    And if a team is willing to take that gamble off of your hands with Dwight coming the other way, you do it. Don't think twice, do not pass GO, do not collect 200, just do it.

    At this point you CANNOT make any trade until Dantonio is replaced.
    We cannot think later on what might have been....
    Between Chandler, Melo and Stat we have 3 solid players who are better then we are seeing.......
    Before anything or any trade DANTONIO MUST GO.


    Dantonio quoted " He does not know what to do "
    Play Jordan, Play Lin.........Play Balkman........
    These 3 guys will gibe u the hustle for every second they are in the game....
    At least their tenacity will keep us from being embarassed....


    Yes we bitch about the samething everyday after every game because this is pure misery.

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    As long as Dolan owns the franchise it's impossible to rebuild this team correctly. Walsh tried to make this team work, he cleared our cap, kept young and talented Chandler, drafted Gallinari, brought Amare and then Dolan stepped up traded almost everyone for Carmelo and ruined all Walsh's work by one move. If we didn't make this deal we'd enter the 2011 offseason with a $39M payroll in 9 players, we could easily sign Chandler and our draft picks (via exception) + resign Wilson (also via exception)...

    Felton/Douglas, Fields/Shumpert, Gallo/Wilson, Amare/Harrellson, Tyson/Mozgov and some trade assets (Randolph, Rautins, Walker) + 2012 first round pick...

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    As long as Dolan owns the franchise it's impossible to rebuild this team correctly. Walsh tried to make this team work, he cleared our cap, kept young and talented Chandler, drafted Gallinari, brought Amare and then Dolan stepped up traded almost everyone for Carmelo and ruined all Walsh's work by one move. If we didn't make this deal we'd enter the 2011 offseason with a $39M payroll in 9 players, we could easily sign Chandler and our draft picks (via exception) + resign Wilson (also via exception)...

    Felton/Douglas, Fields/Shumpert, Gallo/Wilson, Amare/Harrellson, Tyson/Mozgov and some trade assets (Randolph, Rautins, Walker) + 2012 first round pick...
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    You have a great point there. As long as Dolan makes 780 million he doesn't care. He will probably fire D'antoni and use the hiring of a new celebrity coach (sloan, Phil Jackson, etc) to justify the ticket prices next year. Its like the Knicks have a Bi-polar version of Jerry Jones (minus the former championship glory of course) as an owner..... Who will likely never sell.

    The good news for me personaly is based on age Dolan will die a few decades before me so....2030 or bust right?

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Jeremy Lin, some 2-man game between STAT and Melo, off-ball screens for Fields, Tyson patrolling the low block, Fields/Shump, TD, Walker, and Jordan in a 9 man rotation, with Novac and Jeffries getting spot, specialized, mins if the game dictates it, and the Knicks are a top 4 team in the East.
    This piece is so important, especially the line that I highlighted. It's always been about bad rotations and or set rotations for Antoni. We have some good and some decent players but they all have at least one special skill. Antoni does the samse thing every game and fails to adapt to the game in front of him. Each team has different tendencies, so you have to be able to counter that based on what you see.

    Maybe a team is crowding Amare near the paint, so give Novak some minutes and make them pay.

    Maybe a team is much better defensively than they are on offense, so maybe Jeffries get less minutes since we need to keep scorers on the floor.

    Maybe a team has good penetrating guards, so give 7'0" Jordan some minutes to at least try and change some shots.

    Maybe a team has a good SG/SF who is good off screens, give Balkman some minutes since he has a knack of hounding players on defense.

    Maybe some players are just having a good night (Billy against DEN), reward said player with extra minutes at least until they cool off.

    Antoni has a bad habit of setting his rotation, minutes and bench time per game and not adjusting or playing to the current game. After 16-17 games you deem that the offense is flawed and broken??? It should only take 1 week at max to figure out what major changes need to be made with such an "offensive genius" right?

    This is no different from baseball where maybe a left fielder starts the game at DH because they need more speed in the outfield since players on the opposing team tend to hit a lot of balls in that direction. The player still gets his at-bats, but the strategy is changed based on the opponents tendencies. This is what any good coach plans for but unfortunately we don't have a coach which uses that basic approach.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    As long as Dolan owns the franchise it's impossible to rebuild this team correctly. Walsh tried to make this team work, he cleared our cap, kept young and talented Chandler, drafted Gallinari, brought Amare and then Dolan stepped up traded almost everyone for Carmelo and ruined all Walsh's work by one move. If we didn't make this deal we'd enter the 2011 offseason with a $39M payroll in 9 players, we could easily sign Chandler and our draft picks (via exception) + resign Wilson (also via exception)...

    Felton/Douglas, Fields/Shumpert, Gallo/Wilson, Amare/Harrellson, Tyson/Mozgov and some trade assets (Randolph, Rautins, Walker) + 2012 first round pick...
    I still like our team as it is, i still think this coach doesn't have a f**king clue as how to coach this team.But Damn you are so right, our dumb owner single handedly destroyed 2 years of some of the best GM work iv'e seen in a long time.When we only got STAT that year, i was cool with all our young players and have so much CAP room, and so many young assests moving forward, but this retard of an owner killed it all with one swing of his magic wand, sad.

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    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] A light at the end of the tunnel? Idk but I can hope.

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    A very good article that gives hope for the future.

    However, I`m not sure how much we should trust the validity of anything he says when he is a journalist who says that Mike D`antoni is

    "the best offensive coach in the game"

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    @Scipio: somehow we were the 2nd most efficient offensive team in the league last season... and that with medicore Raymond and veteran Billups who isn't really the kind of point guard MDA prefers... let's wait for Baron and see what he does.

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    Originally Posted by Dzwonsson
    @Scipio: somehow we were the 2nd most efficient offensive team in the league last season... and that with medicore Raymond and veteran Billups who isn't really the kind of point guard MDA prefers... let's wait for Baron and see what he does.
    Baron Davis won't bring accountability from Melo all the way to Jordan, Davis won't be the reason why MDA better utilizes his timeouts (17-7 run on christmas before he stops the clock), Davis won't fix MDA's rotations for him.

    Baron Davis might distribute the ball better than it's being distributed now.....there's a whole host of things to get thru before you get to his need of a PG.

    1)Philosophical indifference
    2)Inability or unwillingness to adjust to roster
    3)Poor in-game manager
    4)Seemingly horrible communicator based on his post-game interviews, and lack of response by players on court.
    5)Definitely a poor motivator
    6)Entire "system" is based on having a really, really, really, good, preferably an established veteran, PG. Can't adjust to a combo guard to make team run at high efficiency. So if he doesn't have his "pieces" he's not much of a coach.
    7)Seemingly spends more time politicking with refs, than actually coaching.

    I have 5 issues on my list before we get to the PG issue.

    I think this is what Red is trying to get across to folks. This goes far beyond the box score, and how it was affected by our lack of a PG.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Baron Davis won't bring accountability from Melo all the way to Jordan, Davis won't be the reason why MDA better utilizes his timeouts (17-7 run on christmas before he stops the clock), Davis won't fix MDA's rotations for him.

    Baron Davis might distribute the ball better than it's being distributed now.....there's a whole host of things to get thru before you get to his need of a PG.

    1)Philosophical indifference
    2)Inability or unwillingness to adjust to roster
    3)Poor in-game manager
    4)Seemingly horrible communicator based on his post-game interviews, and lack of response by players on court.
    5)Definitely a poor motivator
    6)Entire "system" is based on having a really, really, really, good, preferably an established veteran, PG. Can't adjust to a combo guard to make team run at high efficiency. So if he doesn't have his "pieces" he's not much of a coach.
    7)Seemingly spends more time politicking with refs, than actually coaching.

    I have 5 issues on my list before we get to the PG issue.

    I think this is what Red is trying to get across to folks. This goes far beyond the box score, and how it was affected by our lack of a PG.
    This is what Red and a host of other people try to explain but some people (Rono) still aren't willing to accept it.

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