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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Baron Davis might distribute the ball better than it's being distributed now.....there's a whole host of things to get thru before you get to his need of a PG.

    1)Philosophical indifference
    2)Inability or unwillingness to adjust to roster
    3)Poor in-game manager
    4)Seemingly horrible communicator based on his post-game interviews, and lack of response by players on court.
    5)Definitely a poor motivator
    6)Entire "system" is based on having a really, really, really, good, preferably an established veteran, PG. Can't adjust to a combo guard to make team run at high efficiency. So if he doesn't have his "pieces" he's not much of a coach.
    7)Seemingly spends more time politicking with refs, than actually coaching.
    This should be the header in every thread.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    This should be the header in every thread.
    Yep, I see more complaints about STAT, Melo, and the lack of a PG...meanwhile MDA is in post-game press conferences saying it's cool if Melo was 2 for 12, as long as we're up 8. (we lost the game mind you)

    But to some people the main issue seems to be the actual product on the court and the lack of a PG.

    If by some miracle, the Knicks got their **** together, made a push, and got the the semis or even ECF....MDA would most likely get coached into submission in a 7 game series.

    Not adjusting for one-off games during a 66 or 82 game season is one thing...not adjusting when you're gonna see the same dudes again on Tuesday is an entirely different animal, and that sum bitch is feral.

    For reference: look at the home-and-home against the Pacers last season. We got spanked by the DC and Psycho-T pick-and-roll in the Garden.....went to Indiana 48 hours later...and got spanked by the same Psycho-T and DC pick-and-roll.

    I know dudes on here remember that little series. Tyler had like 29 points on the Garden floor, set a career high (sound familiar?), went to Indy...set another career high...

    Yep, Baron Davis is the answer, gonna fix everything.
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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Yep... Yep, Baron Davis is the answer, gonna fix everything.

    Well, the alternative is that he isn't and we're so far up the hole, we won't see light for another 6 years.

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    Originally Posted by pakopako

    Well, the alternative is that he isn't and we're so far up the hole, we won't see light for another 6 years.
    That's not the alternative at all. Competent coaching is.

    Why was STAT allowed to meander around the perimeter last night? As a coach, you pull the reins on a player by calling a play that puts him in prime position for success, if he refuses to run your plays, you bench him.

    STAT stayed in the game, and was absent for about 32 of the 38 mins he played.

    Why?

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    That's not the alternative at all. Competent coaching is.
    If you see any, be sure to let W&D know.

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    The Knicks are Carmelo, and Carmelo is the New York Knicks.




    /discussion.

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    Lack of depth in my opinion.

    Guys we traded 4 starters to get Melo, and Fields has disappeared since the trade, so you can say we sorta lost 5 starters to get Melo.

    Bill Walker, Landry Fields, Josh Harrelson, Toney Douglas, 50 year old Mike Bibby, Steve Novak, Jeremy Lin, Jarred Giraffries, Shump (to erratic)

    Those are are "key" role players to surround our 3 best players. Come on guys, thats a total joke. If you ask non-NY Knicks fans who those players are, they'd draw a blank.

    We are devoid of talent beyond our big three. Hopefully B-Diddy plays like he did in Cleveland but who knows with his age and back. And even then he's only one piece.

    Do you know how good our team would be had Melo just freaking signed in the offseason. Stupid stupid Dolan.

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    Originally Posted by knickzrulezH20
    Lack of depth in my opinion.

    Guys we traded 4 starters to get Melo, and Fields has disappeared since the trade, so you can say we sorta lost 5 starters to get Melo.

    Bill Walker, Landry Fields, Josh Harrelson, Toney Douglas, 50 year old Mike Bibby, Steve Novak, Jeremy Lin, Jarred Giraffries, Shump (to erratic)

    Those are are "key" role players to surround our 3 best players. Come on guys, thats a total joke. If you ask non-NY Knicks fans who those players are, they'd draw a blank.

    We are devoid of talent beyond our big three. Hopefully B-Diddy plays like he did in Cleveland but who knows with his age and back. And even then he's only one piece.

    Do you know how good our team would be had Melo just freaking signed in the offseason. Stupid stupid Dolan.
    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    Baron Davis won't bring accountability from Melo all the way to Jordan, Davis won't be the reason why MDA better utilizes his timeouts (17-7 run on christmas before he stops the clock), Davis won't fix MDA's rotations for him.

    Baron Davis might distribute the ball better than it's being distributed now.....there's a whole host of things to get thru before you get to his need of a PG.

    1)Philosophical indifference
    2)Inability or unwillingness to adjust to roster
    3)Poor in-game manager
    4)Seemingly horrible communicator based on his post-game interviews, and lack of response by players on court.
    5)Definitely a poor motivator
    6)Entire "system" is based on having a really, really, really, good, preferably an established veteran, PG. Can't adjust to a combo guard to make team run at high efficiency. So if he doesn't have his "pieces" he's not much of a coach.
    7)Seemingly spends more time politicking with refs, than actually coaching.

    I have 5 issues on my list before we get to the PG issue.

    I think this is what Red is trying to get across to folks. This goes far beyond the box score, and how it was affected by our lack of a PG.
    We were 28-26 the day the trade was made, and we traded 2 small forwards in the deal, and we STILL have a small forward playing the 2. Having Gallo/Wilson, Melo, wouldn't have been much of a difference.

    Yea we traded Felton, who was serviceable, and Mozzy who was grossly misused.

    We have Jordan on the bench who always looks good when he comes in, he can contribute some key role minutes. We have Lin on the bench who occasionally comes in and moves the ball, he almost never plays...why not? Why can't Jordan be our new, more competent Mozzy, and why can't Lin come in and hold down the fort at PG until Baron gets back?????? Surely it makes more sense to play a young, but pure point guard....at point guard....as opposed to a combo guard who's been struggling at the point since....forever?????

    Baron Davis won't make MDA better utilize his roster.

    I mean...one of those 4 that we traded was Mozgov....we replaced him with Tyson Chandler...we had a small forward playing the 2....we drafted Shump, he's running the point, meanwhile we have a second year our point on the bench.

    People have to give up this trade ****. We get it, we traded away sentimental pieces. If they were on this team, just standing around like our guys are now, it would be no different. We've already seen that, Gallo was notorious for it, the standing, waiting, catch, shoot. He goes to Denver where points in the paint, and free throws have been stressed since George Karl has been there, and VIOLA, Gallo is a better player.

    Are we to think that his growth just happen to coincide with his moving to a system run under that philosophy? He would have blossomed into the same player no matter the influence of the system and what it demands of him? Yea, ok, I got a bridge to sell you, hit me up with your contact info.
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    Spot on nuckles. I`m sick of all these people talking about trade this guy, trade that guy. Look at what Gallo is doing in Denver etc.

    It`s our coach who is destroying our players. Every game with the same strategy even though it clearly doesn`t work.

    We will Only get better once this morn Dumbphoney is gone. does anyone really think that Amare, Carmelo, and Tyson are suddenly bad players?

    nonsense. Sack the coach and watch us immediately get better.

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    I mean....we would have had 4 small forwards....what the hell is that?

    We upgraded at center...

    So Gallo or Wilson just standing around watching STAT and Melo isolate would have been better than watching Fields stand around?

    I think the key lost MIGHT have been Wilson since he can probably guard some 2's. Fields has the lateral quickness, and foot speed of a person in a wheelchair, for all of the good he does when the team is playing team ball, he's a liability in man to man defense against some of the quicker guards. If we match up TD or Shump on them (depending on who's starting), we're still gonna have a mismatch at PG. Can you imagine if that was Gallo at the 2, guarding Wade? Q-Rich, Ray Allen, are you horrified yet? Gerald Henderson? DeMar Derozon? Leandro Barbosa? Tony Allen? Anthony Parker?

    Gallo, is a decent defender at his position. Had he been here to play the 2 along side Melo, he'd have the ligaments in his knees tied together in a bow right now.

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    Up 11? Cool. TD come in the game and break everything please. Gave up the lead? Good job, have a seat next to me.

    Need two points to tie? Novak, get in the game. Ok guys, we have time for one play, we only need 2...here's the play NO ONE ****ING MOVE ON THE INBOUND, Novak you're the man, get behind the line.

    Novak: you sure coach? I've had my warm ups on...literally the whole game, you know we only need two right?

    MDA: mmmmm aaaaarrrghhhhh uhhhhhhh j-j-j-j-j-just get.....mmmmm.......you know.....ahhhh.......open and shoot.


    Knicks lose.

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    Originally Posted by knickzrulezH20
    Lack of depth in my opinion.

    Guys we traded 4 starters to get Melo, and Fields has disappeared since the trade, so you can say we sorta lost 5 starters to get Melo.

    Bill Walker, Landry Fields, Josh Harrelson, Toney Douglas, 50 year old Mike Bibby, Steve Novak, Jeremy Lin, Jarred Giraffries, Shump (to erratic)

    Those are are "key" role players to surround our 3 best players. Come on guys, thats a total joke. If you ask non-NY Knicks fans who those players are, they'd draw a blank.

    We are devoid of talent beyond our big three. Hopefully B-Diddy plays like he did in Cleveland but who knows with his age and back. And even then he's only one piece.

    Do you know how good our team would be had Melo just freaking signed in the offseason. Stupid stupid Dolan.
    Bingo we have a winner!!!! MD does deserve some blame but not all of it.The day they traded for Melo was the day they destroyed what could have been a very good team for MD.Thanks Dolan for nothing!!!!

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    We traded 4 starters...one of which being Mozgov....we upgraded him to TC, so now we're down to 3. Felton, Wilson, and Gallo...a PG and 2 small forwards. The key piece we got back was a small forward. So had we "waited" for Melo, we would have had 4 small forwards on the roster Melo, Gallo, Wilson, and Fields. How do you play 4 small forwards in a short D'Antoni rotation? How do you play 4 small forwards at all?

    We already have an SF playing out of position at the 2, but had we retained Gallo and Wilson, it would be Gallo at the 2..with Wilson and Fields coming off the bench. Half of D'Antoni's 8 man rotation would have been 3s.

    So we traded 2 small forwards, a Pg, and a center, and got back a top-3 small forward, and by way of Billups' contract, a top-3 center.

    What's bad about that trade?

    Yea, we don't have a traditional PG, but neither does Philly....but Jrue Holiday is asked to do what he can and they base the offense on everyone's strengths. The Knicks have 3 dominant front court players, and play outside in....yea....keeping Gall and Wilson from a 28-26 team would have solved all of the issues....a 4 way log jam at one position. Smart.

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    Jeff Van Gundy told us everything tonight.

    All we needed to do is open our ears and we'd know by now what it is.

    I opened my ears....but I actually knew it before.

    I'm not very smart (despite having a Masters degree), but I think it's not that hard to realize our major problems and it doesn't really take Jeff Van Gundy to open my eyes........

    seems like 99% of Knicks fans don't listen to the commentary, cause they're still SOLELY blaming coach D'Antoni......

    I really don't know what to make of this fan base.....maybe we get what we deserve???

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    Jeff Van Gundy told us everything tonight.

    All we needed to do is open our ears and we'd know by now what it is.

    I opened my ears....but I actually knew it before.

    I'm not very smart (despite having a Masters degree), but I think it's not that hard to realize our major problems and it doesn't really take Jeff Van Gundy to open my eyes........

    seems like 99% of Knicks fans don't listen to the commentary, cause they're still SOLELY blaming coach D'Antoni......

    I really don't know what to make of this fan base.....maybe we get what we deserve???
    I watched the game on MSG, didn't hear JVG.

    Obviously the Knicks don't have the depth of a Philly or OKC. But that doesn't explain why Fields and Shump are accepting perimeter jumpshots when that's exactly what the defense is willing to give up.

    The Celtics beat us with ball movement from the inside out, the Knicks kept swinging the ball around the perimeter and allowing themselves to either be closed on, or take shots outside of their comfort zone.

    Tripucka talked about it on the post game show on MSG, you have guys taking shots outside of their comfort zone, and guys not being utilized all game so that way when they're forced to take a shot late, it's not foreign to them.

    If I didn't see Lin come in the game in the first half, and penetrate, make passes, hustle, and play half way decent....then watch TD come in the second half and do the exact opposite while the Celtics go on a 14-5 run, maybe I'd give the depth excuse more credence.

    I'm all about watching the games and looking at the intricacies throughout the game, not listening to a talking head (although sometimes they're right) on tv.

    Your eyes and brain tell you that Lin wasn't hurting the Knicks in the first half. Your eyes and brain tell you that Toney Douglas was hurting the Knicks' offense in the second half. Your eyes and brain tell you that MDA left him out there for some reason, and the Knicks' 12 point lead was lost.

    That has nothing to do with depth. Lin was serviceable early on, why go to TD later?

    When we're down by 2 with virtually no time on the clock, why not bring in Novak to be a decoy and draw up some sort of play toward the rim? You had bodies running away from the ball and rim, and Novak got to the corner, sealed his man, and caught the ball, with Melo....curling around to a spot behind the 3PT line. Once again, we're down by 2, a 3 is not needed.

    I understand playing to win, but do it in a sensible fashion, otherwise play to tie.

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