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    Originally Posted by KingStarbury3
    Funny thread and i think your right to an extent but u took it a little too far. I mean Stat comes and says the Knicks are back. He comes here and looks like a clown on defense. Its tough watchin him look like a rookie but your forgetting how he dominated the Celtics in game 1 last year when he was healthy
    Amar'e has been doing that since coming to the Knicks. He was on and off early last season (definitely much better though), beasted and we went on an eight game winning streak, sometime after the trade he didn't play that well again, then did great in the first game of the Playoffs.

    He may very well change a lot of our tunes suddenly. He's a frustrating player. There's stretches where he was brilliant, then stretches where, such as this season, he looks like a rookie, straight up.

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    I think that hes just not always motivated and determined but at least we know that hes always put up good numbers in the playoffs. If it wasnt for those knee injuries he had earlier in his career he would be and would have been a better player. Stat was amazing before the injuries...didnt have the jumpshot but he was even a better defender back then. He sh*tted on Duncan and KG when they were in the their primes. It'd be different if the current Stat went up against either one of them in their primes

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    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Here is a good article on the issue.

    basically to summarize blame it on lack of a PG, questionable coaching and the fact that Amare needs to sub Tyson Chandler at the 5 more.


    "That said, the Knicks needed to get better on defense, and Stoudemire and Chandler will be playing together for a majority of their minutes. So far, the Knicks offense has looked disorganized and random, with players just floating around. Under these circumstances, Chandler naturally gravitates toward the rim, which clogs the lane and forces Stoudemire to rely on jumpers. To clear some space, the Knicks need to get more strategic about where Chandler and Stoudemire position themselves on offense. For example, when they want to isolate or post Stoudemire, they could position Chandler in the opposite corner, far enough away that his defender will have a long way to travel to help against Stoudemire's move. If that defender decides to help, Stoudemire will have a simple dump-off to a cutting Chandler. If he sticks with Chandler, Stoudemire has the space to take his man."

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    Stoudemire is one of the better big men in the league at creating his own shot.

    But with the way our PG play has been he has had no ability to get to the basket because he gets the ball 18 feet out. Which is why he keeps shooting those damn jumpers - he's a decent mid-range jumpshooter but come on he's not Karl Malone yet he needs to fix that **** and I think it starts with getting the ball closer to the rim.

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    Originally Posted by Wargames
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Here is a good article on the issue.

    basically to summarize blame it on lack of a PG, questionable coaching and the fact that Amare needs to sub Tyson Chandler at the 5 more.
    Actually, the current Knicks roster can make do without a PG, but coach needs to pick up (and enforce) a few things.

    1. Make Tyson Chandler more useful. He needs to be more than just Shaq-in-the-block and needs to be a part of plays.

    2. 'Melo and STAT need to team up. In this case, 'Melo has to more like LeBron and pass the ball when he gets double teamed. This also frees up STAT or Chandler to attack the rim or leave a guard open for a 3.

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    had he stayed on the bench during the 4th quarter, surely our losing streak would have ended but nooooooo, where tha Statoshpere supporters at?

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    Originally Posted by quiggle
    had he stayed on the bench during the 4th quarter, surely our losing streak would have ended but nooooooo, where tha Statoshpere supporters at?
    At least he managed to out rebound Mike Bibby; granted, in twice as many minutes.

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    come on its getting dry here some of you not waking up yet yall enjoy supporting him in exchange for losses?

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    Originally Posted by Wargames
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Here is a good article on the issue.

    basically to summarize blame it on lack of a PG, questionable coaching and the fact that Amare needs to sub Tyson Chandler at the 5 more.

    That article is right idk why MDA can't figure out how to make room for STAT to operate. Look at my favorite team the Lakers we do one play in the low post and one high when it's Bynum center and Gasol PF and when we go to the bench we do one low post either Bynum or Gasol at C and one floating or cutting Murphy or McRoberts at PF. Why can't the Knicks implement something like the 2nd option this for STAT have him in the low post and Chandler cutting or floating around the high post. Or since Melo has such a great post game do that with him at time in the low post and STAT in the high post. Simple stuff really I dont get MDA at all.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Stoudemire is one of the better big men in the league at creating his own shot.

    But with the way our PG play has been he has had no ability to get to the basket because he gets the ball 18 feet out. Which is why he keeps shooting those damn jumpers - he's a decent mid-range jumpshooter but come on he's not Karl Malone yet he needs to fix that **** and I think it starts with getting the ball closer to the rim.
    Well your post kind of contradicts itself. He's not very good at creating his own shot that's WHY it's a problem he gets the ball 18 feet out. If he had a Dirk fadeaway or a hookshot it wouldn't be a problem. If his pullup motion wasn't horribly clumsy he might get better looks. If he could put the ball on the floor he wouldn't struggle so much.

    He can't really do any of these things particularly well what he can do is bully people with his speed/athleticism and when they sit off he can swish a jumper in their face. And it has to be in that order. You need to create for him at the basket so he can get open looks away from it. The way we play we just constantly feed him the ball at the top of the key with Tyson playing in the post area and wonder wtf is going on.

    Grantland as usual are spot on.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Well your post kind of contradicts itself. He's not very good at creating his own shot that's WHY it's a problem he gets the ball 18 feet out. If he had a Dirk fadeaway or a hookshot it wouldn't be a problem. If his pullup motion wasn't horribly clumsy he might get better looks. If he could put the ball on the floor he wouldn't struggle so much.

    He can't really do any of these things particularly well what he can do is bully people with his speed/athleticism and when they sit off he can swish a jumper in their face. And it has to be in that order. You need to create for him at the basket so he can get open looks away from it. The way we play we just constantly feed him the ball at the top of the key with Tyson playing in the post area and wonder wtf is going on.

    Grantland as usual are spot on.
    Here's the thing, going off this post and a couple other recent ones you've made:

    A PG is hugely essential. Who would you honestly use with our roster?

    So then a response is, MDA needs to figure out a way to radically alter how our teams plays, vs last year, and get all of the players on the same page and working towards that goal.

    Except, we have a PG coming in soon, which would radically alter those plans, as well; but moreover, it's very likely a priority to pounce on a long-term, up-tempo starting PG in the off season, in which case...

    We have to then radically alter how everyone plays and switch **** on it's head again in terms of our style?

    It's just getting ridiculous.

    People keep saying we looked so much better last year, or how Fields or Amare looked so much better in an up-tempo system. Well, that is MDA, for better or worse; and for worse, regardless of MDA, that isn't what we have.

    We need a PG, we need an up-tempo, we need an up-tempo system, to be at our best.

    Of course, MDA is going to look retarded right now, along with the rest of our team.

    We didn't look retarded, nor did MDA, when we found ourselves exceeding expectations last season, pre-Melo deal, and playoff bound and looking like a legit TEAM n the rise.

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    We still looked retarded under MDA when we lost games in the final seconds with a foul to give or when his nonsensical sub patterns put players in and out of games at ridiculous points or when we let the other team go on 20-0 runs without calling a timeout.

    On one hand I think we should already be putting our future gameplan into practice at least partially so players can get used to it and Baron can come in and the rest of the team are already in the picture.

    Honestly there's not a whole lot of bad you can say about MDA specifically this season although I don't really think going quarter after quarter without putting together any real plays is coaching...

    However I just don't like him or his style of coaching. It doesn't fit NY. Regardless of any of our current players struggles I would still want him gone for someone who coaches both sides of the court.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    Well your post kind of contradicts itself. He's not very good at creating his own shot that's WHY it's a problem he gets the ball 18 feet out. If he had a Dirk fadeaway or a hookshot it wouldn't be a problem. If his pullup motion wasn't horribly clumsy he might get better looks. If he could put the ball on the floor he wouldn't struggle so much.

    He can't really do any of these things particularly well what he can do is bully people with his speed/athleticism and when they sit off he can swish a jumper in their face. And it has to be in that order. You need to create for him at the basket so he can get open looks away from it. The way we play we just constantly feed him the ball at the top of the key with Tyson playing in the post area and wonder wtf is going on.

    Grantland as usual are spot on.
    I mean yeah he's not GREAT at creating his own shot.

    He can do it, just not CONSISTENTLY. If Amar'e is going to create his own shot he it needs to be as an ALTERNATIVE to getting the ball near the basket for an open look or dunk. Not as his primary weapon. He has a decent jumper but it's not good enough to be his money shot (no homo) - it's only good when defenders play off him because they think he's going to dunk on it.

    Seriously, the Knicks have not put STAT in a position to actually make use of his talents, and it's absolutely maddening to know that you have one of the most physically dominant big men in the entire league and your team is using him like a 38 year old past his prime ring-chasing jumpshooter

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    bump, this needs to get more hot and heavy

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