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    Lin, I like because he looks to pass before shooting...his defense can use some improving but that comes with minutes.

    Douglas, I also like but I don't see him as a full time PG under D'Ants system. He's more of a energy guy with great defensive abilities. His range has improved and I expect other parts of his game to do the same. He's a hard worker and is commited to learning. His passing is improving but D'ant confuses the poor dude with this hurry up and shoot the 3 point gameplay.

    Shumpert, I think will do better than both TD and Lin, He understands Defense and knows the flow of offense comes when the energy/momentum is in his/our teams favour. Besides, he has some NY swag and that will go a long way in this city. Over the holidays, I listened to some of his unreleased album (rapp) and was surprised at how NYC he sounded, Cool dude too, btw. He knows the NBA is going to be his bread and butter, hopefully he dosen't get caught up in the inner city life...especially when he dosen't have to.

    B. Davis, I don't know. I feel many people are just too optimistic and have no real idea just how bad of an injury Davis has. To think he will come back and automatically play well (or play at all) will be a set up for disappointment. With these kinds of injuries you have to be extremely careful, it's just a game of ball not the game of life. He'll have to decide what's more important if (or when) the injury is tweeked again. Besides, I'm not sure if he'll have the stamina/endurance, or durability to last in this fast pace system. Under any other coach... he'll probably be a great asset to the team. But, I don't expect the Davis of old to play, I do see his experience being a big plus, thou. how much? depends on the coach.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Nobody said Lin is good.

    But at this point, can he really be worse than Mike Bibby, who so far has dont jack **** for us?
    Thank you. All I'm sayin'. How much worse can this young man possibly be? Maybe he overachieves...Or maybe, just maybe, he's actually pretty good. He probably won't supplant Douglas, but I'd give him Bibby's mins. What the hell have we got to lose? Maybe we come up with a dude that can actually run the offense for stretches...I tell ya right now, he's a more-capable penetrator than Douglas and Bibby. Dude's a 6'4" PG with some decent skills. Give him a shot, let's see what he can do!
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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    Lin, I like because he looks to pass before shooting...his defense can use some improving but that comes with minutes.

    Douglas, I also like but I don't see him as a full time PG under D'Ants system. He's more of a energy guy with great defensive abilities. His range has improved and I expect other parts of his game to do the same. He's a hard worker and is commited to learning. His passing is improving but D'ant confuses the poor dude with this hurry up and shoot the 3 point gameplay.

    Shumpert, I think will do better than both TD and Lin, He understands Defense and knows the flow of offense comes when the energy/momentum is in his/our teams favour. Besides, he has some NY swag and that will go a long way in this city. Over the holidays, I listened to some of his unreleased album (rapp) and was surprised at how NYC he sounded, Cool dude too, btw. He knows the NBA is going to be his bread and butter, hopefully he dosen't get caught up in the inner city life...especially when he dosen't have to.

    B. Davis, I don't know. I feel many people are just too optimistic and have no real idea just how bad of an injury Davis has. To think he will come back and automatically play well (or play at all) will be a set up for disappointment. With these kinds of injuries you have to be extremely careful, it's just a game of ball not the game of life. He'll have to decide what's more important if (or when) the injury is tweeked again. Besides, I'm not sure if he'll have the stamina/endurance, or durability to last in this fast pace system. Under any other coach... he'll probably be a great asset to the team. But, I don't expect the Davis of old to play, I do see his experience being a big plus, thou. how much? depends on the coach.
    Good analysis...I agree on Shump (he'll help out immediately when he's ready) and esp. Davis. You're right bro. Nobody really knows what Davis will bring & how hurt his back really is. All I'm banking on is the Cavs version of BD. If we get that, we'll be in good shape. Davis last yr for Cleveland wasn't the high-wire act he was in previous stops like Golden State but to me he still looked good last yr. Maybe even better than Chauncey Billups by comparison. Ran the Cavs' offense efficiently and confidently. Very smooth player out there. Can still push the ball, still a great passer, still gets others involved and he can still put up points. Remember his Cavs debut last yr against us at the Garden? He looked great that game -- scored the ball on us at will (Billups & TD couldn't deal with him at all) and he pushed the ball and got guys involved. He looked like he was playing on that team for months the way he played that night. And those were a bunch of kids out there he was playing with and made look good -- imagine him at the controls of an offense that featured Melo and STAT?? I'm not even banking on getting Baron Davis of a few yrs back -- I think those days might be long gone. But if we can get the Cavs' version, we'll be in excellent shape. Diddy showed last yr that he can still play at a pretty high level. He still looked darn good to me. That's why I remain optimistic about him. I'd be nice to start hearing some positive updates on him, how he's responding to treatment, etc. Hopefully that starts to come now..Then we can start to really get excited.

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    Tom Haberstroh
    And yes, Mike Bibby is still doing his torpedo act: Knicks are -40 with him on the court this season and +28 when he's sitting on the bench.




    Sums it up.....Bibby is done, like he was last season in Miami.

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    Quick Fix? Thats easy, just bring back Felton. Man I miss that guy. I was watching this countdown on Amare yesterday and most of it was with Felton and he ran our offense so much better. Kid had heart and seemed never to get tired. I doubt its possible to get him back with his 7 mil contract. But when you compare his stats with Billups they were dead even and he's 50 years younger.

    He was our best pg since Charlie Ward.

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    We should have gone for Charles Jenkins, decent PG for Golden State and he's frm New York too! Mark Jackson was smart enough to pick him up, but all D'Antoni wants are guys who used to shoot the ball well years ago...that's why we picked Bibby.
    Charles Jenkins wasn't available. He was drafted. We couldn't work out a deal to buy him. And there's no way he's better than Iman...

    A guy that would've been nice to get would be Marshon Brooks

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    Originally Posted by finestrg
    Good analysis...I agree on Shump (he'll help out immediately when he's ready) and esp. Davis. You're right bro. Nobody really knows what Davis will bring & how hurt his back really is. All I'm banking on is the Cavs version of BD. If we get that, we'll be in good shape. Davis last yr for Cleveland wasn't the high-wire act he was in previous stops like Golden State but to me he still looked good last yr. Maybe even better than Chauncey Billups by comparison. Ran the Cavs' offense efficiently and confidently. Very smooth player out there. Can still push the ball, still a great passer, still gets others involved and he can still put up points. Remember his Cavs debut last yr against us at the Garden? He looked great that game -- scored the ball on us at will (Billups & TD couldn't deal with him at all) and he pushed the ball and got guys involved. He looked like he was playing on that team for months the way he played that night. And those were a bunch of kids out there he was playing with and made look good -- imagine him at the controls of an offense that featured Melo and STAT?? I'm not even banking on getting Baron Davis of a few yrs back -- I think those days might be long gone. But if we can get the Cavs' version, we'll be in excellent shape. Diddy showed last yr that he can still play at a pretty high level. He still looked darn good to me. That's why I remain optimistic about him. I'd be nice to start hearing some positive updates on him, how he's responding to treatment, etc. Hopefully that starts to come now..Then we can start to really get excited.

    I agree with that Baron Davis comment if he plays like he did with Cleveland last year the Knicks will look a lot better almost night and day. He really controlled the tempo and the whole flow of that terrible Cavs team. Not to mention Amare and Chandler need a competent play making PG to be at their best offensively. Melo will prob have the biggest adjustment not having the ball in hands as much since Baron is a true PG that dominants the ball but Melo will still get his looks and close out games for NY.

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    Originally Posted by fender0577
    Doesn't matter who we bring in, we'll never win with this coach, sorry.
    Our players don't respect the coach, nor do the fans. Way to sum it up. Anyone think Damphony gets fired during the season if we start 5-15?

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    Originally Posted by Sprewell-Houston
    Tom Haberstroh
    And yes, Mike Bibby is still doing his torpedo act: Knicks are -40 with him on the court this season and +28 when he's sitting on the bench.




    Sums it up.....Bibby is done, like he was last season in Miami.
    You are dead on... I noticed the same thing. Bibby hasn't been able to hit any shots and he's a defensive liability, especially when guarding the baseline. He needs not see the court anytime soon. He's like Douglas without less of a shot and no speed.

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    Nobody said Lin is good.

    But at this point, can he really be worse than Mike Bibby, who so far has dont jack **** for us?
    True. But MD'A isn't the kind of guy to roll the dice with youth when he's got guaranteed failure. At least Poppovich wouldn't play either (untested talent or no talent).

    Still... what's taking Davis so long to suit up?

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    My vote for a quick fix at PG is this:

    Play Jeremy Lin. Why not? Even 10 mins. And real mins, not garbage mins..Let's see what we've got with this guy first. I'd like to be sure he can't help us before we do anything else.

    If Lin's truly not an option, cut him & bring in one of the following guys immediately (not looking for a savior or the next CP3, although that'd be nice -- just a solid interm solution/upgrade -- a bridge to get us to Baron Davis:

    Patrick Mills - Young, lightning-quick, very good offensive player, more PG ability than our current starting PG. Smallish but there are guys even smaller out there that are effective in the NBA (DJ Augustin, Jameer Nelson, etc.). This guy's 6'.5" in shoes -- that's adequate. When he played for Portland, he played well. Everwhere else, he was a star -- Australia, St Mary's, the NBDL, China.. Cut from his Chinese team recently for "faking" a hamstring injury which is absurd..I read he may not be available to play for another pro team until March but that doesn't sound right to me at all. His Chinese team cut him, he didn't skip out on them. He should be available right now.

    Ben Hansbrough - Big East POY last yr has game. Tough, gritty, great shooter, more PG ability than our current starting PG, surprisingly a better penetrator, athlete & defender than he's given credit for. Was playing in Germany, currently playing in Slovenia. Just feels like a D'Antoni player to me. Mike would love this kid.

    Curtis Jerrells - Young, tough lefty PG, similar to Brandon Jennings. Like Mills he's a scoring point, but he's got more PG ability and a better overall game than Toney Douglas. Currently in Turkey after winning a championship in Serbian League.

    Curtis Stinson - Last yr's D-League MVP and NBDL champion. 6'3" 200+ lb, nothing flashy but an excellent assist man in the DL the past few yrs, effective mid-range shooter, decent penetrator, good defender, floor leader. Currently playing in the Philippines. Reminds me of Anthony Carter only yrs younger.

    Sherron Collins - Only 5'11" or so but he's good. You guys all remember this guy...I liked him a lot at KU. Dude can play. Penetrator, floor general, facilitator, 3-pt shooter. Won it all a few years ago at Kansas. Yet another player better than Toney Douglas -- all these guys are. Currently in Turkey.

    Demetri McCamey - Big, sturdy PG - 6'3" 205 lb. Similar to TD in terms of quickness and penetration (that's to say it's not off the charts, though I think he's marginally better than Douglas in both areas) but he's a much better passer (very good assist man for Illinois the past couple of years) with truer PG tendencies and he's made himself into a lethal 3-pt shooter (last year he shot close to 45% from 3 in college and he can do it spotting up or off the dribble). D-Antoni type of player -- true PG, very good shooter from deep..There are Deron Williams comparisons out there because they're both bigger PGs that played for the same school but he's nowhere near D-Will. What this guy really is is a younger/bigger/better version of what we have now with Douglas and Bibby. Kinda reminds me of Chauncey Billups actually (floor general skills and a real pretty outside stroke)..Unlike TD he's not known for his defense but honestly, Douglas' defense is severly overrated. He's about on par with TD defensively. All of these guys are in fact.

    Secure one of these guys and then focus on trading Douglas. I still think a trade for Ryan Gomes could help this club...Or maybe a trade for a shot-blocker/rebounder..
    Last edited by finestrg; Jan 07, 2012 at 01:28.

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